We need to be realistic, last season is blinding us

cjh97

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Sorry in advance for this long post but as a passionate Palace fan, it’s hard to accept how things are at the moment. We are in a mess. A proper relegation mess.

On current form, West Ham and Forest are better than us. Simple as that. If nothing changes, Championship football next season is a very real possibility. 11 games without a win is beyond unacceptable, it’s sackable form at most clubs.

Yes, it’s easy to point fingers at the board for lack of signings or for selling Eze and Guehi, but the responsibility has to sit with Glasner. He shows zero adaptability. Same shape, same patterns, same substitutions, week after week. We are completely predictable now and teams don’t even need to be good to play against us, just organised.

Most clubs would have pulled the trigger weeks ago. The fact we haven’t either suggests:

1. The board are scared they can’t find the “right” replacement, or

2. Typical Palace indecision and lack of bravery

Neither is comforting. At this point, even McCarthy as interim could spark something. It genuinely could not be worse than this.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Glasner, and for a few players too. The FA Cup win feels like a curse. It papered over cracks and inflated egos, including the manager’s. His mid-season announcement that he’s leaving is still baffling. That should never have come out when it did. All it’s done is create uncertainty, kill motivation and drain belief and you can see it every single week.

I see comments on here suggesting we shouldn’t accept anything less than £50m+ for Mateta, those people need to give their heads a wobble. Anyone who’s played football at even a half-decent level can see it: technically, he’s very limited. His first touch is inconsistent, link-up play is poor, and he’s not clinical. He thrived early under Glasner because we were unpredictable, a honeymoon period. That’s gone.
He also clearly thinks he’s better than Palace now, with one eye firmly on a France call-up at the World Cup. Let’s be serious, he’s got no chance. There are at least four French strikers comfortably ahead of him. Maybe Zaha was right to laugh (if you know, you know).

If the reported £30m offers from Juventus or Atalanta were real and we turned them down, that’s madness. With Sarr back, he can play centrally. Uche is technically better than Mateta. We are not limited without him, if anything, we’re limited with him.

Wharton has been painful to watch for months. His head has clearly gone. He’s already mentally at a “bigger club”. The England call-up came far too early and his weaknesses are now obvious: positional discipline, decision-making under pressure, and switching off defensively. I hate to say it, but his big move will end badly.
Pino looks completely checked out too. Whether that’s down to Glasner, the mood around the club, or both, who knows but his body language says everything.

The most worrying thing? There is no clear direction. Palace are not a club that bounces straight back from the Championship. We don’t have the infrastructure, the ambition or the ownership mindset for that. The next few months are absolutely massive.

The idea that we could be FA Cup holders and relegated in the same season no longer feels unrealistic, and that should terrify everyone associated with the club.

We need change. Now. Not in the summer, not after it’s too late. Small steps immediately, starting with the manager.
 
Things getting very worrying Friday On Friday 33/1 to be relegated and today 8/1 Bookies generally have a good idea Another hammers win and we will be playing 6 pointers for all the wrong reasons after high hopes last August Apportioning blame now not the time we have to all pull together and get the rollercoaster back on the up COYP
 
Glasner talked about winning 4 competitions at the end of last season. Then in October decides to leave while still in all of them. 🤷‍♂️

He's head is gone and he's lost the plot in my opinion.

Even leicester sacked their manager the season after winning the premier league.
 
I don’t disagree with the thoughts here that we are presently the worst team in the prem form wise. However, I’m optimistic after yesterday more than previously where we have been awful. Yesterday we played a top 6 prem team and we had players returning from injury / Afcon. We made mistakes and got beat but in my opinion we played much better and looked as if with returnees we will get required points to keep us up. A better balanced back 3 against Forest May just make the difference. By that I mean Riad starting in place of Canvot. As for Glasner and Mateta that’s a problem that will be dealt with if we don’t win next Sunday and if the transfer window is used for a replacement forward? I lost faith recently but I may be getting some back 🙂
 
Good post. Maybe I'm more half empty these days but I would have taken winning the Conference League (still some work to do there) and staying up this season, if that was offered.

Historically hardly any sides cope well with a lot of matches and a limited squad the season after winning something. I see us on a similar trajectory to West Ham at the moment. We still have more better players currently but when they won the Conference League their squad was better than it is now.

We are getting some key players back for the run in, big ifs BUT if we can sign someone decent alongside Lacroix and replace the failing Mateta adequately it could still be a good night if we play our cards right. Otherwise we could easily get dragged in this season or next.
 
I think the only reason Glasner is still in post is that our next manager is in a similar position in that his contract is up at the end of the season . That means its either continue with Glasner or Paddy for the rest of the season
You are giving Parish too much credit. Looks to me like he is in a complete muddle and it has smothered the whole club. Add to that Glasner has lost the plot with his tactics/ team selection and here we are. Staring relegation in the face.
 
Yep - dreadful run but I think talk of relegation is fairly hysterical - with the returning players results will soon turn.
Disaffected Manager,disaffected players, a DoF who is duff, other teams turning the tide and suddenly winning only eight points off the relegation places. Hysteria set in a few weeks ago and Palace feed it every week!
 
Disaffected Manager,disaffected players, a DoF who is duff, other teams turning the tide and suddenly winning only eight points off the relegation places. Hysteria set in a few weeks ago and Palace feed it every week!

Eight points is a big gap - we're also 8 points off Liverpool in 6th - does anyone think we're in imminent danger of crashing the European places?
 
Sorry in advance for this long post but as a passionate Palace fan, it’s hard to accept how things are at the moment. We are in a mess. A proper relegation mess.

On current form, West Ham and Forest are better than us. Simple as that. If nothing changes, Championship football next season is a very real possibility. 11 games without a win is beyond unacceptable, it’s sackable form at most clubs.

Yes, it’s easy to point fingers at the board for lack of signings or for selling Eze and Guehi, but the responsibility has to sit with Glasner. He shows zero adaptability. Same shape, same patterns, same substitutions, week after week. We are completely predictable now and teams don’t even need to be good to play against us, just organised.

Most clubs would have pulled the trigger weeks ago. The fact we haven’t either suggests:

1. The board are scared they can’t find the “right” replacement, or

2. Typical Palace indecision and lack of bravery

Neither is comforting. At this point, even McCarthy as interim could spark something. It genuinely could not be worse than this.

I’ve lost a lot of respect for Glasner, and for a few players too. The FA Cup win feels like a curse. It papered over cracks and inflated egos, including the manager’s. His mid-season announcement that he’s leaving is still baffling. That should never have come out when it did. All it’s done is create uncertainty, kill motivation and drain belief and you can see it every single week.

I see comments on here suggesting we shouldn’t accept anything less than £50m+ for Mateta, those people need to give their heads a wobble. Anyone who’s played football at even a half-decent level can see it: technically, he’s very limited. His first touch is inconsistent, link-up play is poor, and he’s not clinical. He thrived early under Glasner because we were unpredictable, a honeymoon period. That’s gone.
He also clearly thinks he’s better than Palace now, with one eye firmly on a France call-up at the World Cup. Let’s be serious, he’s got no chance. There are at least four French strikers comfortably ahead of him. Maybe Zaha was right to laugh (if you know, you know).

If the reported £30m offers from Juventus or Atalanta were real and we turned them down, that’s madness. With Sarr back, he can play centrally. Uche is technically better than Mateta. We are not limited without him, if anything, we’re limited with him.

Wharton has been painful to watch for months. His head has clearly gone. He’s already mentally at a “bigger club”. The England call-up came far too early and his weaknesses are now obvious: positional discipline, decision-making under pressure, and switching off defensively. I hate to say it, but his big move will end badly.
Pino looks completely checked out too. Whether that’s down to Glasner, the mood around the club, or both, who knows but his body language says everything.

The most worrying thing? There is no clear direction. Palace are not a club that bounces straight back from the Championship. We don’t have the infrastructure, the ambition or the ownership mindset for that. The next few months are absolutely massive.

The idea that we could be FA Cup holders and relegated in the same season no longer feels unrealistic, and that should terrify everyone associated with the club.

We need change. Now. Not in the summer, not after it’s too late. Small steps immediately, starting with the manager.
The pieces I've highlighted are I think central to where the club currently sit.

And I think one feeds into the other.

Now I understand the financial conditions in which Palace operate. I also understand that the club can't control when buyers make bids for our saleable assets. Last summer it was abundantly clear that Guehi was to be sold and also the release clause in Ezes contract had other clubs on alert. That contract went through until 2027 by the way.

To recap on what happened. We sold Eze late in the window. No like for like replacement - by that I mean a player comfortable in possession and wanting to take players on. Without an apparent intervention from Glasner, Guehi would also have gone. Again, without replacement. From all the recent reports, Glasner is aware of the financial constraints so these deals would not have come as a surprise. But the timings of them would and did. Parish is primarily concerned with the money side. Glasners responsibility is to win football matches and the actions of the Board have hindered his chances of success - hence his frustration. That's not excusing his recent behaviour. And quite why Parish has allowed the situation regarding Glasners leaving and the way that has played out I don't understand.

Winning the FA Cup was no curse. It should have been a step towards enabling the club to avoid or at least mitigate the chances of ending up in the pickle we are now. Instead it has served to put the Boards lack of ambition on show and not for the first time.

I think you're being harsh on Wharton. He had some injury problems at the start of the season and it's taken him a while to get his rhythm going. I see absolutely no evidence of his '' head having gone ''. I also think if you've found his performances '' painful '' you're clearly watching through a different lens to me. When he gets his big move I think we'll see him push on - having better players around him will help his further development.

Pino has struggled for form in a struggling team but has never gone into hiding so I've no idea how you can say he's checked out.

Replacing a manager in mid season is far from being the small step you think it is. That's not to say it shouldn't happen or won't happen but it's not a decision to be made lightly.
 
Yep - dreadful run but I think talk of relegation is fairly hysterical - with the returning players results will soon turn.

Hysteria seems to be the wolf we are all feeding right now. No win in 8 games is the equivalent of hell on Earth itself, but we will get out of this.

Fans who want Paddy McCarthy on a temporary basis should be careful what they wish for. What if (hypothetically) he gets the job, but the results stay the same and the unthinkable happens? That’s a scenario even I don’t want to envision right now.
 
I don’t think anyone is blinded by last season to be honest. I see lots of people who understand the squad is stretched thin and who expected a downturn in form. I don’t think a single person on here is expected us to stay in 4th.

There is a difference though between a downturn in form and becoming by far the worst team in the division who can’t score, can’t stop conceding and suddenly have no fight or energy.

Wanting to win at least once or twice in 11 games isn’t being blinded it’s just expecting a team to be functional
 

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