Censorship and Social Media

[Wisbech Eagle]

You are the one who owe's apologies, and many of them to the people on here you troll daily. And to this nation for your part in destroying our culture.

I gave an example of exactly what you said, you didn't like it. Get stuffed.

Whatever you think of my contributions here is irrelevant. You are fully entitled to those opinions but you are not entitled to claim I said things which I have not. That’s lying and it’s libellous.

Your “example” had no connection of any kind to the subject under discussion at the time. Hardly exactly! None at all. Repeating a lie doesn’t turn it into a truth. Even in the Trump age.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Perceived by who?
One woman’s right to stand silently outweighed by someone’s right to terminate an unborn child.
Standing silently deemed as intimidating…just think about that.
Perhaps the government should ban ‘a minute’s silence’ next time an atrocity occurs or when we commemorate the war dead in November, as someone might find it intimidating.

You don’t have to agree with any law but, like all of us, you and any lady wishing to “silently pray” must abide by it.

The government have decided that in 150 metre areas around abortion clinics the rights of those using the clinics are superior to those wishing to protest about their existence.

Whether you, or anyone else, think that praying silently, or anything else isn’t intimidating is completely irrelevant. It’s not your opinion that is being considered. It’s the right of those using a legally available service to do so without the risk of them being intimidated by someone doing something, together with the accompanying video teams and media crews, that their actions could attract.

Taking this out of context and attempting to compare it with other events when silence is demanded is to misunderstand what is actually being done.

There are no restrictions on anyone’s legal right to protest or campaign about abortion, in any peaceful way. There’s just another right, possessed by other people, which demands those protests not happen in a tiny number of spaces.

 

[Common Sense Club]

You don’t have to agree with any law but, like all of us, you and any lady wishing to “silently pray” must abide by it.

The government have decided that in 150 metre areas around abortion clinics the rights of those using the clinics are superior to those wishing to protest about their existence.

Whether you, or anyone else, think that praying silently, or anything else isn’t intimidating is completely irrelevant. It’s not your opinion that is being considered. It’s the right of those using a legally available service to do so without the risk of them being intimidated by someone doing something, together with the accompanying video teams and media crews, that their actions could attract.

Taking this out of context and attempting to compare it with other events when silence is demanded is to misunderstand what is actually being done.

There are no restrictions on anyone’s legal right to protest or campaign about abortion, in any peaceful way. There’s just another right, possessed by other people, which demands those protests not happen in a tiny number of spaces.

So, the government could ban pro-Palestinian marches if the Jewish community found them intimidating...if the government wanted to, or course.

 

[Spindle]

Whatever you think of my contributions here is irrelevant. You are fully entitled to those opinions but you are not entitled to claim I said things which I have not. That’s lying and it’s libellous.

Your “example” had no connection of any kind to the subject under discussion at the time. Hardly exactly! None at all. Repeating a lie doesn’t turn it into a truth. Even in the Trump age.

Let's actually see this libel claim then. If so you are up s*** creek with the mass of deliberate misinterpretation of things said that you do.

My example was a precise analogy of applying your logic of integration to somebody in the UK who you know damn well isn't integrated. All you do is deceive when you've been rhetorically punched in the face. You aren't as smart as you think you are.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Let's actually see this libel claim then. If so you are up s*** creek with the mass of deliberate misinterpretation of things said that you do.

My example was a precise analogy of applying your logic of integration to somebody in the UK who you know damn well isn't integrated. All you do is deceive when you've been rhetorically punched in the face. You aren't as smart as you think you are.

What has the example of people not being integrated, which isn’t disputed, got to do with government officials being targeted by the Trump administration for working on the legislation requiring social media platforms to control content that could harm children?

Chalk has more in common than cheese than that.

Identifying libel and being bothered enough about to take action are completely different issues. Believe me, I am not bothered! I do though expect decent people to admit their mistakes and apologise, rather than double down on them.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

So, the government could ban pro-Palestinian marches if the Jewish community found them intimidating...if the government wanted to, or course.

oh, well that will really solve the problem. Marches were not a problem at Bondi Beach or the Manchester synagogue.

Censorship. Its always the little people getting censored. Politicians and tv companies seem to be able to say whatever they want.


If you were in say, a restaurant, and a fight started at the table beside you.....you could get into serious trouble if you lent a spoon to a lad. Especially if he did some damage with it. Whereas politicians can also give weapons to whoever they want.

Starmer to give missiles to Ukraine paid for with £70m interest on Russian assets

The 350 air defence missiles mark the first time the UK has used Russia-linked funds to buy weapons for Kyiv

www.theguardian.com

 

[the silurian]

If it was in a buffer zone around an abortion clinic they would be asked to move outside the zone. If they refused they would be arrested and either warned as first time offenders or charged if repeat offenders.

Of course they would!!!!

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Social-media self-governance opens up a can of worms. Look at how other platforms are moderated , using misinformation, lies and censorship. Where opinions contrary to the accepted norm, get abuse and vilified.
Look at the way scientists who voiced concerns over Government Covid policy were ostracised and marginalised. The Covid Inquiry has suggested many of these concerns were justified.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So, the government could ban pro-Palestinian marches if the Jewish community found them intimidating...if the government wanted to, or course.

They could restrict action considered to be potentially intimidating in areas of 150 metres around religious buildings. Whether they would do it solely for synagogues is open to question as other religions might demand similar protections.

However there would be difficulties with enforcement as there are a huge number of religious buildings. I don’t think the police would welcome it, although if it was just a general restriction enabling them to ban mass protests they might. Something they probably already have. Stopping individuals from making personal protests that way seems impractical and unnecessary as I doubt too many are actually bothered about them.

Banning marches isn’t connected.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Social-media self-governance opens up a can of worms. Look at how other platforms are moderated , using misinformation, lies and censorship. Where opinions contrary to the accepted norm, get abuse and vilified.

It doesn’t. Any expansion would be subjected to extensive scrutiny and debate.

Ensuring that the laws that apply to other forms of communication also apply to social media is long overdue. Things move so fast now that our regulatory regimes get overwhelmed well before we react.

Nobody seeks to restrict the free flow of ideas. The only things that need restricting are those which are Intended to cause harm.

Social media is currently like the Wild West without Sheriffs with the law being only the will of the guy with the biggest gun. Do you want to be ruled by Elon Musk? It must be brought under our control.

 

[Common Sense Club]

They could restrict action considered to be potentially intimidating in areas of 150 metres around religious buildings. Whether they would do it solely for synagogues is open to question as other religions might demand similar protections.

However there would be difficulties with enforcement as there are a huge number of religious buildings. I don’t think the police would welcome it, although if it was just a general restriction enabling them to ban mass protests they might. Something they probably already have. Stopping individuals from making personal protests that way seems impractical and unnecessary as I doubt too many are actually bothered about them.

Banning marches isn’t connected.

The Jewish community considers itself to be constantly intimidated and under threat, not just here but as per recent events, in Australia too. Nobody has been listening to their fears and look what happens; atrocities and ‘lessons will be learned’ (again).
Yet didn’t the government announce money being available to protect mosques (?).
As I have said previously, some religious beliefs are held in higher regard than others.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

The Jewish community considers itself to be constantly intimidated and under threat, not just here but as per recent events, in Australia too. Nobody has been listening to their fears and look what happens; atrocities and ‘lessons will be learned’ (again).
Yet didn’t the government announce money being available to protect mosques (?).
As I have said previously, some religious beliefs are held in higher regard than others.

Unconnected to this issue. I don’t though think you are correct. In the UK, the government provides the Jewish Community Protective Security Grant, managed by the Community Security Trust, which funds essential security measures at synagogues and other Jewish sites. This includes security guards and equipment like CCTV and alarm systems.

About CST – CST – Protecting Our Jewish Community

CST is a charity working against antisemitism and racism in British society. We are proud of Britain’s diverse and vibrant Jewish community, and protect its many achievements. We believe that reducing antisemitism is fundamental to safeguarding British values and society from the threats of...

cst.org.uk

 

[Common Sense Club]

Unconnected to this issue. I don’t though think you are correct. In the UK, the government provides the Jewish Community Protective Security Grant, managed by the Community Security Trust, which funds essential security measures at synagogues and other Jewish sites. This includes security guards and equipment like CCTV and alarm systems.

About CST – CST – Protecting Our Jewish Community

CST is a charity working against antisemitism and racism in British society. We are proud of Britain’s diverse and vibrant Jewish community, and protect its many achievements. We believe that reducing antisemitism is fundamental to safeguarding British values and society from the threats of...

cst.org.uk

I don’t want to get into a Top Trumps scenario but the £18million government grant provided is less than the £29.4 million provided to the equivalent mosque protection scheme. And a further £10 million was given late this year due to the perceived threat to the mosques. There are probably more mosques than synagogues; I don’t know, maybe that’s the reason but how many Jewish people have been arrested for attacking mosques and society in general compared with the Muslim community’s actions?

 

[cryrst]

I don’t want to get into a Top Trumps scenario but the £18million government grant provided is less than the £29.4 million provided to the equivalent mosque protection scheme. And a further £10 million was given late this year due to the perceived threat to the mosques. There are probably more mosques than synagogues; I don’t know, maybe that’s the reason but how many Jewish people have been arrested for attacking mosques and society in general compared with the Muslim community’s actions?

I feel your talking too much truth for some on here !

 

[Spindle]

What has the example of people not being integrated, which isn’t disputed, got to do with government officials being targeted by the Trump administration for working on the legislation requiring social media platforms to control content that could harm children?

Chalk has more in common than cheese than that.

Identifying libel and being bothered enough about to take action are completely different issues. Believe me, I am not bothered! I do though expect decent people to admit their mistakes and apologise, rather than double down on them.

I wrote this because you previously made some foolish comment about integration.


I replied to expose you hypocrisy (the second bit of hypocrisy in about two pages)


Then you replied in denial that any of this even happened


As for the second part, that comes because you stuck your fat nose into the business of the USA claiming that they have no right to deal with people who enter their territory, which is nonsense. You can't even see your hypocrisy within your own statement, which I highlighted for your tiny brain to see


When I point this out you say this garbage

....hence the comments about integration.

So, self proclaimed wise one, shove that libel from the orifice from which you talk - your butthole.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I don’t want to get into a Top Trumps scenario but the £18million government grant provided is less than the £29.4 million provided to the equivalent mosque protection scheme. And a further £10 million was given late this year due to the perceived threat to the mosques. There are probably more mosques than synagogues; I don’t know, maybe that’s the reason but how many Jewish people have been arrested for attacking mosques and society in general compared with the Muslim community’s actions?

I don’t know the details either but the Jewish scheme is primarily funded and run by the Jewish community, so presumably the grant is just a top up to help with the increased threat.

I don’t defend those who use violence against people they don’t share values with, whatever the reason or whoever they are. Such attitudes need to be eradicated. It’s how we do that where differences occur.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I wrote this because you previously made some foolish comment about integration.
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I replied to expose you hypocrisy (the second bit of hypocrisy in about two pages)
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Then you replied in denial that any of this even happened
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As for the second part, that comes because you stuck your fat nose into the business of the USA claiming that they have no right to deal with people who enter their territory, which is nonsense. You can't even see your hypocrisy within your own statement, which I highlighted for your tiny brain to see
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When I point this out you say this garbage
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....hence the comments about integration.

So, self proclaimed wise one, shove that libel from the orifice from which you talk - your butthole.

My comment about integration was far from foolish.

Do you seriously think that if an immigrant to this country marries a local and they have a child together that they haven’t integrated? I know someone extremely well who has done precisely that, has become a British citizen, has many British friends and has lived here for many years. They aren’t Pakistani!

So when I told you I had never said the things you claimed I said about Pakistani’s marrying their cousins etc, you using the example you did as justification wasn’t just completely wrong. It was ridiculously wrong.

You now owe me yet another apology.

None of which has the remotest of remote connections to the plight of those working for governments here and the EU and helping to prepare the social media legislation. They are being revenge targeted by the Trump administration. Nothing to do with integration at all. In fact one of them has integrated, thus heightening the unfairness, but the attack on him was not because of integration.

It seems to me you are unable to accept when you have been caught out and can only respond with crude insults. Just man up and apologise.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I don’t know the details either but the Jewish scheme is primarily funded and run by the Jewish community, so presumably the grant is just a top up to help with the increased threat.

I don’t defend those who use violence against people they don’t share values with, whatever the reason or whoever they are. Such attitudes need to be eradicated. It’s how we do that where differences occur.

And you don’t think the Muslim community fund their own security too? Which is worse, as that implies the British taxpayer is wholly funding the security of the Muslim community.
So, more taxpayer money (39 million in 2025) is being used to protect the Muslim community than the Jewish community, yet it is predominantly the followers of Islam that are carrying out attacks.
Seems bizarre that the uk government is funding the protection of the people who would do us harm.
It would seem more logical for that community to pay to protect itself and concentrate their minds to wheedle out the extremists, and the taxpayers money could be used to better effect.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And you don’t think the Muslim community fund their own security too? Which is worse, as that implies the British taxpayer is wholly funding the security of the Muslim community.
So, more taxpayer money (39 million in 2025) is being used to protect the Muslim community than the Jewish community, yet it is predominantly the followers of Islam that are carrying out attacks.
Seems bizarre that the uk government is funding the protection of the people who would do us harm.
It would seem more logical for that community to pay to protect itself and concentrate their minds to wheedle out the extremists, and the taxpayers money could be used to better effect.

I don’t know, do you?

I expect the government does though and has assessed what is needed both to reassure and protect.

One of the problems is the highlighted statement! This claim that it’s Muslims, as a community, who are the problem is widely asserted but completely misleading. The problem is terrorism. Often by terrorists in the name of Islam but not by the Muslim community as a whole.

You may regard this as semantics but it really isn’t. We need to separate the peace loving majority from the extremist minority and we must start by recognising they exist. By lumping them all together we encourage them to become defensive and make our problems worse.

I know it’s not easy but we must exercise restraint and discipline because ultimately it’s in our interests.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I don’t know, do you?

I expect the government does though and has assessed what is needed both to reassure and protect.

One of the problems is the highlighted statement! This claim that it’s Muslims, as a community, who are the problem is widely asserted but completely misleading. The problem is terrorism. Often by terrorists in the name of Islam but not by the Muslim community as a whole.

You may regard this as semantics but it really isn’t. We need to separate the peace loving majority from the extremist minority and we must start by recognising they exist. By lumping them all together we encourage them to become defensive and make our problems worse.

I know it’s not easy but we must exercise restraint and discipline because ultimately it’s in our interests.

You seem to be seperating Islam and Muslim. By its very nature a follower of Islam is a Muslim. A Muslim is not necessarily a terrorist but - from what is reported - most terrorists are followers of Islam/in the name of Islam. The problem exists within the Muslim community and my conclusion is that if we are going to provide money to that community it should be to extract the terrorist element. That way the ‘stigma’ of being a Muslim is lessened or removed and we can all get on with our lives.
It still doesn’t explain why more government money is provided for the protection of the community that doesn’t appear to be under attack , whilst the community that is under attack receives half as much.