Immigration

Wisbech Eagle said:
Your relative is right and your acceptance of that represents a glimmer of hope to me!

It was, of course predictable, and predicted by some, during the liefest that happened in the run up to Brexit.

We are though where we are. Would the Eastern Europeans want to return here if we reentered? I am not so sure.
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But the people in charge are still all a bunch of @ssholes for not caring one iota for the actual citizens of this country, whether that’s having their living standards reduced by EU migration after 2004, or their living standards AND the country changing before their eyes with 3rd world immigration. I am more okay with the former but not the undercutting, but not okay with either because of the @ssholes in charge who don’t give a sh1t.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Your relative is right and your acceptance of that represents a glimmer of hope to me!

It was, of course predictable, and predicted by some, during the liefest that happened in the run up to Brexit.

We are though where we are. Would the Eastern Europeans want to return here if we reentered? I am not so sure.
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Lisbon Treaty was a step to far for me.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Sometimes you get who you deserve. The US electorate came last for years. They get Trump. People in this country complain about Trump constantly. What the fvck has it got to do with a load of liberals in England to the level they’re complaining that the majority in the US want Trump?
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Whoever the American President is they are de facto world leader and influences everything globally look at the attacks on Venezuala to see how the U.S. can knock your economy out of kilter.
 
beak said:
Whoever the American President is they are de facto world leader and influences everything globally look at the attacks on Venezuala to see how the U.S. can knock your economy out of kilter.
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I know, but when those inside get forgotten about, then you’re going to have a backlash and a Trump or Farage turn up. Either it’s none of Trudy of Truro or Harriet of Herne Hill’s business, or suck it up. The Americans in America voted for that for their reasons, not yours.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Your relative is right and your acceptance of that represents a glimmer of hope to me!

It was, of course predictable, and predicted by some, during the liefest that happened in the run up to Brexit.

We are though where we are. Would the Eastern Europeans want to return here if we reentered? I am not so sure.
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Really? It was predicted that by 2021 there would be 2.5 m more immigrants than there were in 2011?
 
almost since pre-history, immigration has been a thing. People looking for opportunities to earn and to better themselves. America was built upon the teeming masses arriving at Ellis Island.


However, this new thing we are now seeing. An immigrant arriving and straight onto the taxpayers teat. Its got no successful precedent in history. And who the hell ever voted that from their Government ? And again, it seems to now be very prevalent in all of Western Europe.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Except that Le Pen actually has the whole of the EU to deal with, which would keep her fully occupied. I have no doubt that we would see the results of photo opportunities and cosy press statements but genuinely effective action I don’t.

Real problems tend to get in the way of rhetoric and up to now all that exists from either Le Pen or Farage is rhetoric.

These problems will only be solved by international cooperation involving the whole of Europe with all nations bordering the Mediterranean.
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We’ve been trying for years to solve the problem by international cooperation; not working.
Some nations have got tough; USA obviously, but also Denmark, with resulting positive results.
Le Pen just has to declare a situation strong enough to ‘close’ their borders and revert to pre-Schengen thereby slowing the flow through France, maybe stopping it altogether.
And you say that Le Pen will have to deal with the whole of the EU; France has frequently ignored the EU when it comes to budget constraints etc., so I have more faith in her than Starmer to do something positive.
 
The CEO of NGO group ‘Refugee Council’ has received an OBE. Presumably for their part in bringing illegals & other foreigners into our country.

Their total income last year was £14,924,000 of which £3,619,000 was from 7 government contracts and £4,436,000 from 14 government grants.

The state is against its native population.

Reform need to sack every single person who has been complicit and cut off the flow of money to these gravy train NGOs.
 
beak said:
Predictions are garbage by defenition ,I have a friend who works as an actuary and predictions always fail,the job is about having your excuses ready.
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I predict we never hear anymore about the Grindr Ukrainians. I also predict Starmer will not be leader of Labour at the next election. Have you got your excuses ready? I won’t need them 😂
 
Rudi Hedman said:
A relative made an interesting point yesterday…

Brexit has meant a load of the younger Europeans who did the low paid work are now not here. The result has been 3rd world migrants have come to replace them, plus their children and probably partners.

I can’t really deny this. He’s left wing but voted Brexit and regrets it. In or out didn’t make much difference to me. He argues the country is 4% worse off in GDP, at least. One reason I voted Brexit was the undercutting of wages from Eastern Europe, either just because, or because many Poles etc were living 10 in a house to be able to undercut Brits who have real level rent or mortgages to pay. European immigration wasn’t an issue to me, and definitely better than what we have now. He also said Farage promised less immigration following Brexit when there’s actually been more. That is partly poor government but also to replace Europeans leaving or no longer coming to England.
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I tried telling brexshitters this pre vote, but they didn't listen.
 
georgenorman said:
You are usually sound on most issues but your Brexit stance is just wrong.
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I've not really discussed it for you to determine that. It's cost us dearly in many ways, I'm certain you;ve been told this but will just blame "implementation" even though implementation was not possible.
 
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