War in Ukraine

chris123 said:
It helps debate to know the source when unrefernced data is introduced and the poster didn’t know
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What...for the phrase 'liberal democracy'? Aren't you looking to poison the well here?

In your opinion if the source was Tommy Robinson does it makes it unreliable or untrue?

Who would be cast iron reliable sources for you?
 
Stirlingsays said:
What...for the phrase 'liberal democracy'? Aren't you looking to poison the well here?

In your opinion if the source was Tommy Robinson does it makes it unreliable or untrue?

Who would be cast iron reliable sources for you?
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My comment was Gulag versus Liberal Democracy, after a post about loathing support for Russia.
 
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beak said:
Good world leaders on tackling bullying and h rassment, i'm very proud of that.👍
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Are you proud that Amnesty International is investigating the UK?
For violation of international obligations to protect the rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly?
Or have you not been told what to think about that one yet?
 
McAhuna said:
Are you proud that Amnesty International is investigating the UK?
For violation of international obligations to protect the rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly?
Or have you not been told what to think about that one yet?
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Unnecessarily rude as normal where did you learn to debate kindergarten? 😆 😆 😆
 
McAhuna said:
Are you proud that Amnesty International is investigating the UK?
For violation of international obligations to protect the rights of freedom of expression and peaceful assembly?
Or have you not been told what to think about that one yet?
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Totally proud that we are disapproved of by the left wing organisation that Amnesty International is these days.
 
chris123 said:
My comment was Gulag versus Liberal Democracy, after a post about loathing support for Russia.
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Sure, but what on earth has whatever Tommy Robinson thinks about it got to do with this war?

As for 'gulag versus liberal democracy'.....it's an out of date comparison. Sure, if you were talking about Stalin....but we are living in an age where we arrest more people for hurty comments than Russia does.

So while I accept sensible up to date criticisms of Russia there's a lot to point to about 'liberal democracy'......Something that isn't 'liberal' and isn't 'democracy' either.

Also, 'liberal democracy' is trans promotion, pride parades, feminism on steroids, high mass immigration from Africa and the middle east, high crime rates, censorship, racism against whites, especially white men on the right.....should I go on?.

Ukraine is getting all that after this war......Yay...Liberal Democracy.....It will probably result in civil war....That country is fecked for the foreseeable future.

So the truth is that gulags and liberal democracy in the modern day isn't the same as the past....Sure Russia isn't by any means a free state and will kill some opponents or jail them if they think they go too far....But while we aren't as bad Tommy Robinson himself and plenty of others have been thrown in prison for wrong think and speak. So I say the difference between those two binary choices is worthy of debate itself...I mean, we have good state relationships with plenty of countries with worst regimes than Russia...Saudi for example.

Yeah, we are better than Russia in some ways but we have significant problems that they don't, but regardless what is that meant to represent?....That we should be preparing for war? What are we fighting for exactly? Pride parades and kneeling for BLM? the right wing being frozen out of working in institutions? It's nuts.

If we were funding Russia I'd be far more bothered about them....As it is, collectively, we fund a corrupt state in Ukraine to the tune of hundreds of billions......and it's all down the drain.

If they had been in Nato a far stronger argument could have been made for this, but instead the State department were in Ukraine trying to pull it away from Russia.....what the feck....has that got to do with us?

My biggest point has always been.....not some liking of Russia or disliking of Ukraine....As far as I'm concerned they are independent countries who can be as fecked up as they like....it's their business.

My main point is that this war has feck all to do with us, yet we have been pushed into being one of Ukraine's biggest supporters and spenders. We should have been providing humanitarian aid and pushing for peace....while behind the scenes asking the Americans why they got to this situation in the first place.

Orban has been right about this war all along and our leaders have screwed it up from the start.

Because now we are forced to take an L and lose tens of billions, which we can't afford on something that really had feck all to do with us.

Harold Wilson was awful but one of the few good things he did was keeping us out of the Vietnam war.....Unfortunately we didn't have anyone sensible enough for Ukraine.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
Sure, but what on earth has whatever Tommy Robinson thinks about it got to do with this war?

As for 'gulag versus liberal democracy'.....it's an out of date comparison. Sure, if you were talking about Stalin....but we are living in an age where we arrest more people for hurty comments than Russia does.

So while I accept sensible up to date criticisms of Russia there's a lot to point to about 'liberal democracy'......Something that isn't 'liberal' and isn't 'democracy' either.

Also, 'liberal democracy' is trans promotion, pride parades, feminism on steroids, high mass immigration from Africa and the middle east, high crime rates, censorship, racism against whites, especially white men on the right.....should I go on?.

Why is it so hard to say both gulags and liberal democracy are pretty much the same thing....Tommy Robinson himself has been thrown in prison for wrong think and speak. So I say the difference between those two binary choices is worthy of debate itself.....Yeah, we are better than Russia in some ways but we have significant problems that they don't, but regardless what is that meant to represent?....That we should be preparing for war? What are we fighting for exactly? Pride parades and BLM, the right wing being frozen out of working in institutions? It's nuts.

If we were funding Russia I'd be far more bothered about them....As it is, collectively, we fund an equally corrupt state in Ukraine to the tune of hundreds of billions......and it's all down the drain.

If they had been in Nato a far stronger argument could have been made for this, but instead the State department were in Ukraine trying to pull it away from Russia.....what the feck....has that got to do with us?

My biggest point has always been.....not some liking of Russia or disliking of Ukraine....As far as I'm concerned they are independent countries who can be as fecked up as they like....it's their business.

My main point is that this war has feck all to do with us, yet we have been pushed into being one of Ukraine's biggest supporters and spenders.

Orban has been right about this war all along and our leaders have screwed it up from the start.
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As per my post and according to the Standard in September he's the source of the numbers in the table, so I asked the poster if Tommy Robinson was the source and said no.

The poster I guess was making a point with England and Wales at the top. I didn't introduce the numbers just queried them. You can't QA one number on its own without context that's still absent.
 
chris123 said:
As per my post and according to the Standard in September he's the source of the numbers in the table, so I asked the poster if Tommy Robinson was the source and said no.

The poster I guess was making a point with England and Wales at the top. I didn't introduce the numbers just queried them. You can't QA one number on its own without context that's still absent.
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Lot of mainstream media run hit pieces against Tommy Robinson for obvious reasons - often playing the man and not the ball. Regardless I've seen similar stats from other sources like Konstantin Kisin, from the year 2023 if I remember correctly......Has anyone suggested that these stats are lies? I haven't seen that myself.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Lot of mainstream media run hit pieces against Tommy Robinson for obvious reasons - often playing the man and not the ball. Regardless I've seen similar stats from other sources like Konstantin Kisin, from the year 2023 if I remember correctly......Has anyone suggested that these stats are lies? I haven't seen that myself.
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The only one I saw was in the Standard in September, they said in the article the source and every number was identical to what was posted today
 
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