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Badger11 said:
Not sure about that.

From the handful I have seen so far it's a big meh.

If you have never heard of Epstein and looked at those pictures that aren't particularly incriminating. There is no nudity and obvious underage girls*. They are only creepy because we know the back story. Lots of celebs are being dragged in just for posing with him.

I'm not excusing their behaviour because it depends when they were taken, did the celeb know of his previous convictions or were they taken like Trump before his legal troubles.

Anyway apart from the ones where he has written quotes from Lolita (they are creepy) as I said all a bit of a meh.

*Because faces are blacked out of the women we cannot tell their age.
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That's because Mossad have all the bad stuff....Maybe the CIA as well because they are practically the same thing on American issues.

They would have either destroyed all the incriminating stuff that shows their involvement and/or kept it for blackmail for the powerful.

This would have happened back when Epstein's island was initially secured, back in the last decade......when he was deemed no longer useful to the system.

We are being fed what is deemed politically expedient.

The establishment is all about protecting the system as it is.....it has no principles outside of that. The intel and security agencies are its enforcers and the ideas we were raised with about good guys......Well, I have no doubt good guys do work in these agencies......but when it comes to stuff like the above, those guys aren't allowed anywhere near this stuff.
 
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Stirlingsays said:
That's because Mossad have all the bad stuff....Maybe the CIA as well because they are practically the same thing on American issues.

They would have either destroyed all the incriminating stuff that shows their involvement and/or kept it for blackmail for the powerful.

This would have happened back when Epstein's island was initially secured, back in the last decade......when he was deemed no longer useful to the system.

We are being fed what is deemed politically expedient.

The establishment is all about protecting the system as it is.....it has no principles outside of that. The intel and security agencies are its enforcers and the ideas we were raised with about good guys......Well, I have no doubt good guys do work in these agencies......but when it comes to stuff like the above, those guys aren't allowed anywhere near this stuff.
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Most of the pictures and things released are what we knew already I guess. So they havnt really caused any damage or surprises. And most of them like Clinton are already tainted by past indiscretions so we just shrug our shoulders. But could imagine if there was a picture of Trump swimming with someone. All the looney lefties would have a meltdown. 🤣

So I think I do agree with you that the real juicy incriminating bits have been withheld by the ones who hold the strings on the puppets.
 
Stirlingsays said:
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Yup just like those Liebour politicians who claim the Windrush generation re-built this country after the war.

Simply not true, mass immigration started in the last sixties and early seventies just because they can produce an individual who was a bus driver in the fifties it doesn't mean that a generation made a significant impact on post war reconstruction.

I noticed that the other day the BBC was in mourning after it was revealed that the first black (ancient) Briton was actually white, oh dear.
 
Badger11 said:
Yup just like those Liebour politicians who claim the Windrush generation re-built this country after the war.

Simply not true, mass immigration started in the last sixties and early seventies just because they can produce an individual who was a bus driver in the fifties it doesn't mean that a generation made a significant impact on post war reconstruction.

I noticed that the other day the BBC was in mourning after it was revealed that the first black (ancient) Briton was actually white, oh dear.
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How an earth you discerned any kind of mourning in that story beats me! It was factual and interesting. No kind of regret expressed at all. The only thing on show here is your cynicism.

www.bbc.co.uk

True origin of 'first black Briton' revealed

Scientists say they now know where the 'Beachy Head Lady', an ancient skeleton, actually came from.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
I loath cynicism.
 
Badger11 said:
Yup just like those Liebour politicians who claim the Windrush generation re-built this country after the war.

Simply not true, mass immigration started in the last sixties and early seventies just because they can produce an individual who was a bus driver in the fifties it doesn't mean that a generation made a significant impact on post war reconstruction.

I noticed that the other day the BBC was in mourning after it was revealed that the first black (ancient) Briton was actually white, oh dear.
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Maybe they drove the builders to the places where the reconstruction was going on .
Someone’s got to do it .Are those drivers not part of it ?
 
Stirlingsays said:
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Mehdi Hasan would wipe the floor with Matt Walsh .
Hasan is far too educated and intellectual for Walsh to handle .
It’s a fact that slavery contributed to building America and that one in three African slaves were Muslim
Walsh is a bigoted shock jock ,a clown and a dumb one at that .
 
Rudi Hedman said:
No. Society needs everyone pulling their weight in various jobs, but to say bus drivers rebuilt the country is fiction beyond belief.
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But did the bus drivers HELP rebuild the country ?Did the nurses help care for the builders and others who may of injured themselves ?
Let’s not forget the cleaners who made sure the above mentioned weren’t laying around in germ infested wards ?
The Windrush generation helped rebuild the UK ..Fact
 
Frenchaigle said:
But did the bus drivers HELP rebuild the country ?Did the nurses help care for the builders and others who may of injured themselves ?
Let’s not forget the cleaners who made sure the above mentioned weren’t laying around in germ infested wards ?
The Windrush generation helped rebuild the UK ..Fact
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It all depends on numbers. If 1 Trans person works in the NHS would you say they rebuilt it? How about 2, 3, 20,000.

I am not knocking individual achievements but by the time we had large scale immigration in the late sixties and seventies post war reconstruction was largely over.
 
Badger11 said:
It all depends on numbers. If 1 Trans person works in the NHS would you say they rebuilt it? How about 2, 3, 20,000.

I am not knocking individual achievements but by the time we had large scale immigration in the late sixties and seventies post war reconstruction was largely over.
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Windrush generation named after the boat that arrived in 1948 .
Are you saying that most of post war rebuild was pretty much done in 3 years ?
 
Frenchaigle said:
Windrush generation named after the boat that arrived in 1948 .
Are you saying that most of post war rebuild was pretty much done in 3 years ?
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It is utter nonsense to suggest that post-war reconstruction was achieved through immigration.
 
We've gone off topic here, so let me kill this side track by saying that whilst I have nothing against bus drivers, let's remember that Sadiq Kahn is the son of a bus driver.
 
ASCPFC said:
I would argue here that when you look into it, the Windrush generation and their children largely were helpful. It's mostly immigration from the last thirty years that has been unhelpful. And I suspect a lot of the Windrush generation would agree.
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Last thirty years is a different debate ,the original “side step “ from topic was the claim that ‘ Liebour ‘ reckon Windrush helped rebuild Post war UK ,I believe Liebour have not lied .
Anyone who says they did not contribute is being obtuse quite frankly .
To get back to the topic US politics ,African slaves did contribute to the GDP and growth of the USA .
And one in three African slaves were Muslim .
To say the opposite is to be in the world of ‘alternative facts’ ,which remember was ushered in during Trumps first term .
 
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Badger11 said:
It all depends on numbers. If 1 Trans person works in the NHS would you say they rebuilt it? How about 2, 3, 20,000.

I am not knocking individual achievements but by the time we had large scale immigration in the late sixties and seventies post war reconstruction was largely over.
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They were never needed (Japan rebuilt themselves from a far worse state) and they were meant to go back.....it was expressly stated at the time.

But they wouldn't go.....and apparently we are meant to be grateful.
 
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