Ashes cricket

Forest Hillbilly said:
You know the 5-0 is coming. Players will now be ducking out with injuries, as the defeat mentality sinks in. A few players will want to fight, and string a match out to maybe 3 or 4 days, but we were never at the races. A complete farce of a series.
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Who was the England opening batter who got a couple of ducks down under in the 1st test and decided he had to go home because of his mental health? I remember at the time saying would he have wanted to go home if he’d got a couple of centuries. I think as the tour went on, prior and Swann jumped ship as well as we fell apart
 
BromleyMonkey said:
Who was the England opening batter who got a couple of ducks down under in the 1st test and decided he had to go home because of his mental health? I remember at the time saying would he have wanted to go home if he’d got a couple of centuries. I think as the tour went on, prior and Swann jumped ship as well as we fell apart
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Sounds like Trescothick but I can't remember. I think the other was Trott as someone mentioned.
England are bluffing. They'll win the next three tests within three days. Doubling down on Bazball. Australia will just give up.
 
ASCPFC said:
Sounds like Trescothick but I can't remember. I think the other was Trott as someone mentioned.
England are bluffing. They'll win the next three tests within three days. Doubling down on Bazball. Australia will just give up.
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If I remember correctly Trescothick's mental problems on tour started in 2006 in India.....He was breaking down mentally and sobbing after a tour game he actually scored 88 runs in....This was before the test matches had begun.

He just couldn't cope anymore with being away on tours and he left for home.

While I am critical of modern day English culture, which has rejected a lot of the stoicism that builds the mental toughness that gets you through tough times in life.....I also recognise that life is frequently tough for many of us, especially if your job is more stressful than most.....and that some people will break down.....mental problems are a fact of life.....it's just that the culture doesn't help much.

Maybe Trescothick's experiences with mental health away on tours makes him a good guy to have out there or maybe not....Only the guys in the dressing room would know I suppose.

Botham and Gower would just go out and get drunk or break a bed banging some model or other......I remember the tours in the 80s being more like jollies with some Test matches inbetween.
 
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ASCPFC said:
I totally agree. I was thinking back to Ashes series in England. Some of the Aussies would always play county cricket for a while. Ours look like they've never played in Australia before. And surprised by the conditions. It's tame to say the least. England should have at the very least played some of the Australian teams on a tour. Even for two weeks. Two or three three day matches or so would have been fine. They'll probably admit that in about a month. It's not hindsight, it's blindingly obvious.
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England always used to play an Aussie side or two as a warm up but the problem was that the Aussies would put out very weak sides on pitches completely different to those used for test matches so was a complete waste of time
 
ASCPFC said:
Sounds like Trescothick but I can't remember. I think the other was Trott as someone mentioned.
England are bluffing. They'll win the next three tests within three days. Doubling down on Bazball. Australia will just give up.
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Matt Prior had problems as well.
If they're bluffing they're very convincing indeed.
 
Since the IPL really took off, cricketers economics have changed out of all proportion. While mental health will never go away as a trait, its recognition and the finance available now, I'd hope players are protected better than ever.
 
I think mentality, rather than mental health maybe of more significance. The Aussies have cultured a winning, can-do attitude over many generations, particularly in sport.
With this England team, I don't doubt their ability. I just think they were never "up for it", in the ways perhaps Botham and Gower were. And I can also point to many individual failures of Gower and Botham, but you'd always want to have them in your side.
5-0
 
chris123 said:
Since the IPL really took off, cricketers economics have changed out of all proportion. While mental health will never go away as a trait, its recognition and the finance available now, I'd hope players are protected better than ever.
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That's true. The psychology of limited over cricket is very different to the Test game as well. Bowlers can't often establish much rhythm or dominance, field placings are different (no lineup of slips, etc) and batsmen aren't criticised for getting caught on the boundary after playing a bad shot.
 
Teddy Eagle said:
That's true. The psychology of limited over cricket is very different to the Test game as well. Bowlers can't often establish much rhythm or dominance, field placings are different (no lineup of slips, etc) and batsmen aren't criticised for getting caught on the boundary after playing a bad shot.
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A line up is for dragnet,a cordon not that fat shmuck off the telly btw.
 
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