US Politics

cryrst said:
Where is this centre that he talks about so much. Wissie clearly forgets things.
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The centre is where balance can be found.

In this case, as in many others, that’s where there is no precise answer, because we just don’t know, and may never know. Seeing inside someone’s head being very difficult.

It’s easy to make assumptions based on bias and prejudice but if you want balance you must step aside from them and be objective.

Robinson appears to have been wound up by Kirk’s attitude to transsexuality. Which says nothing about his own politics. Kirk was openly right wing. Something he acknowledged himself.
 
cryrst said:
Where is this centre that he talks about so much. Wissie clearly forgets things.
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He’s fond of the word ‘centre’ - just one of several words that spring to mind with him that begin with ‘c’ - like ‘chump’.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
The centre is where balance can be found.

In this case, as in many others, that’s where there is no precise answer, because we just don’t know, and may never know. Seeing inside someone’s head being very difficult.

It’s easy to make assumptions based on bias and prejudice but if you want balance you must step aside from them and be objective.

Robinson appears to have been wound up by Kirk’s attitude to transsexuality. Which says nothing about his own politics. Kirk was openly right wing. Something he acknowledged himself.
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It seems like you think right wing is somehow being aligned with hitler or the devil. Different opinions are what life’s about and the left don’t like them. Right wing is just another way of thinking.
 
Stirlingsays said:
I think you might be right though my take tends away from the Ukraine war as the chief motivation for the policy.....as I think allowing for attacks on merchant shipping and all the players hurt by that is a huge other hellhole diplomatically if US led. But nevertheless you could be right.

I tend more towards thinking that the Venezuela thing is all about Trump keeping his coalition together at the top table.....a kind of policy trading for support amongst this team. It's well known that the chief architect for changing the regime in Venezuela is Marco Rubio. Rubio is a Cuban exile and wants to change the political allegiance in South America away from China/Russia or at least bully their way to better deals. To do this he's willing to start with the low hanging fruit like Venezuela.....However, whether Trump will do more than just military pressure we are yet to see.
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I know the Venezuela thing is about oil. When I hear completely meaningless, demonizing terms like "Narco-terrorists" I can smell the bullsh1t from here.

Is the connection that Venezuela has huge oil reserves. Given the erratic flow from Russia, are they seeking to ensure a more stable and captured supply closer to home and within the Monroe zone. That is, the same (true) basis for the Gulf Wars?
 
silvertop said:
I know the Venezuela thing is about oil. When I hear completely meaningless, demonizing terms like "Narco-terrorists" I can smell the bullsh1t from here.

Is the connection that Venezuela has huge oil reserves. Given the erratic flow from Russia, are they seeking to ensure a more stable and captured supply closer to home and within the Monroe zone. That is, the same (true) basis for the Gulf Wars?
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Don't the US have enough oil to be self sufficient though?

Don't know.....your take is probably true or part of the truth.

It annoys me insomuch as it's a complete backtrack of Trump 2016.....The guy who said 'no more wars', renames the Department of Defence the Department of War......He flipped.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Don't the US have enough oil to be self sufficient though?

Don't know.....your take is probably true or part of the truth.

It annoys me insomuch as it's a complete backtrack of Trump 2016.....The guy who said 'no more wars', renames the Department of Defence the Department of War......He flipped.
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Say, just for a moment, the US gets a puppet government into power in Venezuela. US companies will benefit for sure, there are obvious areas for that. All government contracts and all exploration licences. Cheap workforce for companies who relocate there. All obvious enough. But also a handy kind of place to relocate migrants en masse I would think. Although that does sound more Bush (the real one) than Trump.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Don't the US have enough oil to be self sufficient though?

Don't know.....your take is probably true or part of the truth.

It annoys me insomuch as it's a complete backtrack of Trump 2016.....The guy who said 'no more wars', renames the Department of Defence the Department of War......He flipped.
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No, and not the right kind of oil.

His ego and vanity have been sorely tested. I do not think he has the clout to refuse the demands of either big oil or the industrial military complex.
 
cryrst said:
It seems like you think right wing is somehow being aligned with hitler or the devil. Different opinions are what life’s about and the left don’t like them. Right wing is just another way of thinking.
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Not at all. Some on the right sincerely believe in right wing economics whilst maintaining a senses of responsibility towards the less fortunate. I fit that mould, being to the right of centre. Others on the extreme right will deny any kind of similarity to Hitler, whilst their opponents can see it quite easily.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Not at all. Some on the right sincerely believe in right wing economics whilst maintaining a senses of responsibility towards the less fortunate. I fit that mould, being to the right of centre. Others on the extreme right will deny any kind of similarity to Hitler, whilst their opponents can see it quite easily.
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All those little Hitlers. It's getting crowded out there. I guess racist Dave is Hitler and has the moustache? Being slightly racist obviously qualifies. The 70s is, in fact, clearly Hitler. Previous decades may have even been more deplorable and, really, shooting's too good for 'em when you just picture how far past Hitler they had gone. The entire population of the 50s more or less. Imagine the US! Hitler central and, one of them even lived there!
Somebody please reinstate the Nuremberg Trials. We'll get a couple of Starmer's judges with no juries. As that would not be any kind of parody of Nazi courts would it?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Not at all. Some on the right sincerely believe in right wing economics whilst maintaining a senses of responsibility towards the less fortunate. I fit that mould, being to the right of centre. Others on the extreme right will deny any kind of similarity to Hitler, whilst their opponents can see it quite easily.
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Godwin's Law in action. Again. Is there really no other comparison?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Not at all. Some on the right sincerely believe in right wing economics whilst maintaining a senses of responsibility towards the less fortunate. I fit that mould, being to the right of centre. Others on the extreme right will deny any kind of similarity to Hitler, whilst their opponents can see it quite easily.
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Where is my extreme word. I said right wing and there is not a great distance between that and centre right. Responsibility is a subjective choice of words because less unfortunate are not necessarily needing genuine help. I would use fairness as a key to being right wing as there is no politics involved. Ie if an immigrant is in need of help and assistance I doubt any “extreme right winger or far right winger” would object. If an immigrant is escaping nothing only finding fortunes then that’s not fair on genuine asylum seekers or the public who lose out on their own needs.
 
ASCPFC said:
All those little Hitlers. It's getting crowded out there. I guess racist Dave is Hitler and has the moustache? Being slightly racist obviously qualifies. The 70s is, in fact, clearly Hitler. Previous decades may have even been more deplorable and, really, shooting's too good for 'em when you just picture how far past Hitler they had gone. The entire population of the 50s more or less. Imagine the US! Hitler central and, one of them even lived there!
Somebody please reinstate the Nuremberg Trials. We'll get a couple of Starmer's judges with no juries. As that would not be any kind of parody of Nazi courts would it?
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May I suggest you reread what I wrote. I didn’t suggest there are people who are identical to Hitler. Only that there are some who deny they are in anyway similar. With the number of characteristics he presented it’s a wide spectrum. Racist Dave certainly shows some. Not physically. He is large and angular. With him it’s his attitude in seeking scapegoats to blame for society’s problems. You can look at the US and see the same.

Judges in the UK are beholden to the law. Not to any politician. Trying to clear the backlog by speeding up cases makes perfect sense. Justice delayed is justice denied.
 
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