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[eaglesdare]

It’s only you making assumptions. As nothing has yet been officially confirmed assumptions are all that can possibly exist. I don’t know. Nor do you. Nor do any of the right wing media you probably use as your sources.


Charlie Kirk was openly right wing. Do you suggest he wasn’t or there’s some doubt about it?


Who’s justifying anything?

I am rationalising the reasons. Separating the cause from the effect.

There’s never an excuse for violence, from anyone, whatever the provocation.

Robinson’s texts, anti-Kirk posts, and engraved casings naming are public facts and not “right wing media.”

You accept Kirk was "undoubtedly" right wing with zero evidence needed, but wave away Robinson’s own left wing words and actions. That’s the double standard. Right there. 👍

Saying left wing violence is the “inevitable effect” of Trump is literally justifying it.

 

[eaglesdare]

Trump MRI results drop as White House confronts mounting questions over president’s health

President Donald Trump's October MRI scan found no cardiovascular abnormalities and confirmed excellent overall health, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt announced.

www.foxnews.com

Clean bill of heath for the president! A few people may be disappointed by this.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Robinson’s texts, anti-Kirk posts, and engraved casings naming are public facts and not “right wing media.”

You accept Kirk was "undoubtedly" right wing with zero evidence needed, but wave away Robinson’s own left wing words and actions. That’s the double standard. Right there. 👍

Saying left wing violence is the “inevitable effect” of Trump is literally justifying it.

Kirk spoke publicly, regularly and openly about his politics. That’s all the evidence anyone needs.

Robinson didn’t. He was an unknown until this happened. Information has been found which suggests he was angry with Kirk, but why is supposition. The most probable being because of his views on transgender people. What his political beliefs are remain unknown. Posting anti-Kirk comments and engraving casings don’t confirm anything, much as you and others on the right might like to claim they do.

It’s impossible for me to be any clearer than saying that violence can never be justified, whatever the provocation.

All you are doing is, once again, demonstrating what I have said you do. Which is to ignore facts and just repeat your original, debunked, claims.

 

[eaglesdare]

Kirk spoke publicly, regularly and openly about his politics. That’s all the evidence anyone needs.

Robinson didn’t. He was an unknown until this happened. Information has been found which suggests he was angry with Kirk, but why is supposition. The most probable being because of his views on transgender people. What his political beliefs are remain unknown. Posting anti-Kirk comments and engraving casings don’t confirm anything, much as you and others on the right might like to claim they do.

It’s impossible for me to be any clearer than saying that violence can never be justified, whatever the provocation.

All you are doing is, once again, demonstrating what I have said you do. Which is to ignore facts and just repeat your original, debunked, claims.

You are saying regarding Kirk’s politics that “he spoke openly, that’s all the evidence needed.”

Robinson’s own texts calling Kirk a “Nazi,” his anti Kirk posts, and casings literally engraved is just “supposition, beliefs unknown.” 🙄

You didn’t “debunk” anything you just ignored public evidence and declared it doesn’t count. That’s the double standard, right there again!

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Trump MRI results drop as White House confronts mounting questions over president’s health

President Donald Trump's October MRI scan found no cardiovascular abnormalities and confirmed excellent overall health, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt announced.

www.foxnews.com

Clean bill of heath for the president! A few people may be disappointed by this.

Disappointed? No, questioning its accuracy and authenticity, yes? This comment seems to indicate why. There’s more here than meets the eye. Which is to be expected, given who is involved:-

“Dr Jeffrey A Linder, chief of general internal medicine at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, highlighted that Barbabella's memo did not specify whether an MRI or computed tomography (CT) scan was performed, making it difficult to know exactly what was done.

He said routine anatomical imaging - whether MRI or CT - was generally discouraged in asymptomatic patients because the potential risks outweighed the benefits.

And even for executive physicals - which cater to busy professionals and include a host of additional tests - Dr Linder said it was uncommon for results to come back "perfectly normal" with no coronary calcification.

Trump has been seen with swollen ankles and bruising on his right hand and has been spotted appearing to doze off during meetings.”

Did anyone notice those pots of whitewash behind the Press Secretary when she gave the news? Probably not, as they were airbrushed out of the video!

 

[eaglesdare]

Disappointed? No, questioning its accuracy and authenticity, yes? This comment seems to indicate why. There’s more here than meets the eye. Which is to be expected, given who is involved:-

“Dr Jeffrey A Linder, chief of general internal medicine at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, highlighted that Barbabella's memo did not specify whether an MRI or computed tomography (CT) scan was performed, making it difficult to know exactly what was done.

He said routine anatomical imaging - whether MRI or CT - was generally discouraged in asymptomatic patients because the potential risks outweighed the benefits.

And even for executive physicals - which cater to busy professionals and include a host of additional tests - Dr Linder said it was uncommon for results to come back "perfectly normal" with no coronary calcification.

Trump has been seen with swollen ankles and bruising on his right hand and has been spotted appearing to doze off during meetings.”

Did anyone notice those pots of whitewash behind the Press Secretary when she gave the news? Probably not, as they were airbrushed out of the video!

Your TDS is just boring now 👍

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You are saying regarding Kirk’s politics that “he spoke openly, that’s all the evidence needed.”

Robinson’s own texts calling Kirk a “Nazi,” his anti Kirk posts, and casings literally engraved is just “supposition, beliefs unknown.” 🙄

You didn’t “debunk” anything you just ignored public evidence and declared it doesn’t count. That’s the double standard, right there again!

Calling someone else a Nazi doesn’t say anything about your own politics.

You might call several other posters here “right wing”. That doesn’t make you left wing does it? There are many traditional Republicans in the USA who regard those in the Trump circle as neo Nazis.

I am not ignoring anything. Things that aren’t relevant don’t need ignoring!

You are ignoring an unequivocal statement. That violence can never be justified as a reaction to political provocation.

 

[eaglesdare]

Calling someone else a Nazi doesn’t say anything about your own politics.

You might call several other posters here “right wing”. That doesn’t make you left wing does it? There are many traditional Republicans in the USA who regard those in the Trump circle as neo Nazis.

I am not ignoring anything. Things that aren’t relevant don’t need ignoring!

You are ignoring an unequivocal statement. That violence can never be justified as a reaction to political provocation.

Calling Kirk a “Nazi” while engraving his name on casings isn’t random name calling it’s ideological hatred.

You instantly labeled Kirk “right-wing” from public speech, but Robinson’s explicit left wing rhetoric (texts, posts, “Nazi” obsession) suddenly “says nothing” about his politics.

That selective standard is still the double standard and you’re still running from it. 👍

 

[FrankieD108]

Your response simply confirms the point!

You just cannot see the deficiency of morality in right wing politics, when compared to the left.

Put simply the right think of the individual whilst the left think collectively. The right think of self, the left of others.

Showing concern for the poor, the disadvantaged and the marginalised is universally regarded as moral.

Disregarding the welfare of the poor, the disadvantaged and marginalised isn’t.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Somehow you think your opinion equates to facts, which it does not.
Just as my opinions do not equate to facts.

Contrary to your opinion, conservatives do believe in helping others, just through their own efforts, not through wasteful and inefficient government programs. And personal responsibility from all, including the poor, disadvantaged and marginalized.

Read some Thomas Sowell and get back to me.

Until then ... be well ...
and may you be too busy helping others to have time to bang away at your keyboard.

Because that's where true change happens. With individuals helping individuals.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Calling Kirk a “Nazi” while engraving his name on casings isn’t random name calling it’s ideological hatred.

It is probably ideological hatred! That though doesn’t mean the ideology is left leaning! It could be any number of things. Some political, others not.

You instantly labeled Kirk “right-wing” from public speech, but Robinson’s explicit left wing rhetoric (texts, posts, “Nazi” obsession) suddenly “says nothing” about his politics.

That selective standard is still the double standard and you’re still running from it. 👍

They aren’t though explicitly left wing! That is only your assumption because of your total inability to see beyond your own preconceptions.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
Somehow you think your opinion equates to facts, which it does not.
Just as my opinions do not equate to facts.

Contrary to your opinion, conservatives do believe in helping others, just through their own efforts, not through wasteful and inefficient government programs. And personal responsibility from all, including the poor, disadvantaged and marginalized.

Read some Thomas Sowell and get back to me.

Until then ... be well ...
and may you be too busy helping others to have time to bang away at your keyboard.

Because that's where true change happens. With individuals helping individuals.

Of course my opinions aren’t facts! Something I have often acknowledged here.

It’s also true that some conservatives sincerely believe that the best way to help others is to organise society the way they want to.

My point is not about individuals but about the general philosophy that lies behind them.

I think it is self evident that those whose primary purpose is to serve others hold higher moral standards than those whose outlook is to serve only themselves and those close to them. Not that the latter have no morals at all but that the selfless have more.

 

[eaglesdare]

It is probably ideological hatred! That though doesn’t mean the ideology is left leaning! It could be any number of things. Some political, others not.


They aren’t though explicitly left wing! That is only your assumption because of your total inability to see beyond your own preconceptions.

Your refusal to call it left wing while instantly tagging Kirk “right wing” for far less is double standards.

I’ve indulged your delusions long enough. Go back 50 pages odd pages where I and other posters have already spoke about this topic and provided the proof 👍

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your refusal to call it left wing while instantly tagging Kirk “right wing” for far less is double standards.

I’ve indulged your delusions long enough. Go back 50 pages odd pages where I and other posters have already spoke about this topic and provided the proof 👍

Nobody anywhere, the FBI included and certainly not here, have provided any kind of proof.

You are deluded and just confusing your own bias and assertions with proof.

Repeating, once again, what you said a few pages ago, or 50 pages ago does make it true. There are suspicions. There are allegations. There isn’t proof. There may never be.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Anyways....stirling you mentioned Venezuela earlier in the thread.

Do you think Venezuela may be linked to the Ukraine deal with Russia? maybe starve the Russian shadow fleet to get Putin to the table? Or it's more get trade going again with Russia?

Interested to see what your take is or am I connecting dots that arnt there 🤣

I think you might be right though my take tends away from the Ukraine war as the chief motivation for the policy.....as I think allowing for attacks on merchant shipping and all the players hurt by that is a huge other hellhole diplomatically if US led. But nevertheless you could be right.

I tend more towards thinking that the Venezuela thing is all about Trump keeping his coalition together at the top table.....a kind of policy trading for support amongst this team. It's well known that the chief architect for changing the regime in Venezuela is Marco Rubio. Rubio is a Cuban exile and wants to change the political allegiance in South America away from China/Russia or at least bully their way to better deals. To do this he's willing to start with the low hanging fruit like Venezuela.....However, whether Trump will do more than just military pressure we are yet to see.

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Of course my opinions aren’t facts! Something I have often acknowledged here.

It’s also true that some conservatives sincerely believe that the best way to help others is to organise society the way they want to.

My point is not about individuals but about the general philosophy that lies behind them.

I think it is self evident that those whose primary purpose is to serve others hold higher moral standards than those whose outlook is to serve only themselves and those close to them. Not that the latter have no morals at all but that the selfless have more.

A slightly curious indictment from someone who's denied any left wing preference. Presumably you include yourself among those who have no morals.

 

[eaglesdare]

Nobody anywhere, the FBI included and certainly not here, have provided any kind of proof.

You are deluded and just confusing your own bias and assertions with proof.

Repeating, once again, what you said a few pages ago, or 50 pages ago does make it true. There are suspicions. There are allegations. There isn’t proof. There may never be.

Cool story. When you’re ready to address the dozens of sourced posts from the last 50 pages instead of pretending they don’t exist, let me know. Until then, enjoy talking to yourself.

 

[Spindle]

So, is Trump going to bomb Venezuela or not?

 

[ASCPFC]

So, is Trump going to bomb Venezuela or not?

Special forces are going to infiltrate to search and destroy speed boat manufacturers. Get them at source.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Your refusal to call it left wing while instantly tagging Kirk “right wing” for far less is double standards.

I’ve indulged your delusions long enough. Go back 50 pages odd pages where I and other posters have already spoke about this topic and provided the proof 👍

You call me boring and then say exactly the same thing you said at the start, despite me politely and very patiently explaining your basic error.

In the Court of right wing opinion, as typified by the cohort that dominates here, it may well be that their judgement would be that Robinson is left wing.

Real courts have a balance of attitudes in their Juries. Juries who are directed by Judges on what can, and must not, be considered. A real court has not heard the evidence or even be asked to give an opinion, and probably won’t be. It’s not relevant to the case. What matters is what he did. Why isn’t important in deciding his guilt or innocence.

So all that exists is speculation and assumption.

I don’t know, but I can easily see several possibilities.

 

[eaglesdare]

You call me boring and then say exactly the same thing you said at the start, despite me politely and very patiently explaining your basic error.

In the Court of right wing opinion, as typified by the cohort that dominates here, it may well be that their judgement would be that Robinson is left wing.

Real courts have a balance of attitudes in their Juries. Juries who are directed by Judges on what can, and must not, be considered. A real court has not heard the evidence or even be asked to give an opinion, and probably won’t be. It’s not relevant to the case. What matters is what he did. Why isn’t important in deciding his guilt or innocence.

So all that exists is speculation and assumption.

I don’t know, but I can easily see several possibilities.

Fifty pages of evidence later and you’re reduced to "I can easily see several possibilities" while continuing to label Kirk right wing in the same breath. 🙄