Christantus Uche

OG clearly doesn't rate Uche.

By continuing to ignore him, it leaves OG with leverage to argue that Uche's loan should be cut short in January and puts the club in a position to sign a better alternative.
 
NEILLO said:
OG clearly doesn't rate Uche.

By continuing to ignore him, it leaves OG with leverage to argue that Uche's loan should be cut short in January and puts the club in a position to sign a better alternative.
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This appears to be the 'Mood music' leading to speculation that Uche was an 11th hour acquisition not 'Signed off' by Glasner.
 
The issue is the club's future. Glasner will be gone and we'll have a squad of thirty year olds and no Guehi either. The saving grace will be Wharton - but who else? We don't use Esse either. Nketiah looks like he could do well in the future.
Yes, there's doing well this season (which seems like Glasner, fair enough) but next season, the one after? You literally have to have young players that you do take a bit of a risk on. I always think you don't fully know until they get a proper chance. Ours haven't.
 
ASCPFC said:
The issue is the club's future. Glasner will be gone and we'll have a squad of thirty year olds and no Guehi either. The saving grace will be Wharton - but who else? We don't use Esse either. Nketiah looks like he could do well in the future.
Yes, there's doing well this season (which seems like Glasner, fair enough) but next season, the one after? You literally have to have young players that you do take a bit of a risk on. I always think you don't fully know until they get a proper chance. Ours haven't.
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It would appear that the manager has concluded that they are not ready to be given a chance in preference to others who have played on a regular basis. He witnesses them in training and concludes whether they are sufficiently ready for the 'Glasner Way'.
 
Ahamada is an interesting case.
He was bought in Vieira's time when we played a different formation.
He was seen as a player who could break from midfield.
He may not have been good enough anyway, but he clearly doesn't suit Glasner's formation.

It's an illustration of the conundrum of buying players when you're not sure who the manager will be a year or two down the line.
 
Willo said:
It would appear that the manager has concluded that they are not ready to be given a chance in preference to others who have played on a regular basis. He witnesses them in training and concludes whether they are sufficiently ready for the 'Glasner Way'.
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It may do but that doesn't really address my point. This is Crystal Palace, not Glasner FC. He'll be gone next season. The reality is that our squad, with only a couple of exceptions are ageing or not even that interested in staying.
We have to have a balance between players for now and players for the future. It's not because it's my opinion, or I want it. It's just the way it has to be, unless you want to try and put together a squad of 29 yr olds every season. Which we cannot afford regardless.
 
PatrickA said:
Ahamada is an interesting case.
He was bought in Vieira's time when we played a different formation.
He was seen as a player who could break from midfield.
He may not have been good enough anyway, but he clearly doesn't suit Glasner's formation.

It's an illustration of the conundrum of buying players when you're not sure who the manager will be a year or two down the line.
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It's an illustration of the conundrum of buying players full stop. Especially paying low in the hope of finding that diamond in the rough. Which I guess brings us round to the calibre of the scouting set-up.
End analysis is that Ahamada was never good enough and the £10m could have been better spent elsewhere.
 
park the bus said:
It's an illustration of the conundrum of buying players full stop. Especially paying low in the hope of finding that diamond in the rough. Which I guess brings us round to the calibre of the scouting set-up.
End analysis is that Ahamada was never good enough and the £10m could have been better spent elsewhere.
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Yep, as much as the figures are still eye watering, we need to be mindful that this isn't all going to go our way. We'll have some successes and some failures.

Every club is the same, but Liverpools flops cost 100m!
 
The reason why people think Esse and Uche might have it in them is, firstly they look ok when they come on.
Secondly, they seem to have the physical attributes. Pace, strength, power.

Ahamada never did, but he could do fine in a different league. Not in England.
 
Houston Eagle said:
I think this article would indicate how well both Parish and Freedman have performed over many years. There are always a few that don’t make it but compared to other clubs we are miles ahead when it comes to successful transfer dealings!

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Liverpool summer transfer spend in the spotlight as Crystal Palace chief emerges as top operator

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Indeed, and I tend to wonder what the Freedman situation was? I had a hunch that he and Glasner would not work together - as I can't see Glasner being told much. I'm not blaming him. I'm a bit like that myself.
 
Eaglecoops said:
I think that is very harsh in terms of known ability with regard to Holding. I have a few mates who are Arsenal fans who thought he would do a decent job for us and that he had performed well on occasion for the Gooners.

I think the pattern is more established that there are players that our manager does not like/does not have a good relationship with and simply will not play them.

I have no problem with that, he’s the manager and makes the decisions.
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Being recommended by Arsenal mates is no recommendation . He obviously had some issues with injuries and fitness before we signed him and hasn't been the player that joined Arsenal from Bolton for many years . He could hardly get in a championship side while out on loan and is now a bit part player in the US league . Never good enough for our first team by a long shot (though I take your point that he once may have been )
 
Steve P likes a deal, ideally one on the cheap, and in broad terms this has served us very well.

On the face of it, the Holding deal made sense.
Experienced centre back who had played well enough for Arsenal to be selected by England.

We've had great t service from the likes of Dann, Tomkins and Cahill in the past so you could understand the attraction of a low cost option in Holding, at least for the squad.

It didn't work out and sometimes they don't.
 
Uche is a strange situation. It appears he was Bought on loan with compulsory purchase if he started a number of games. He was not a full international before he joined but has got called up as a result of this loan. Therefore it is possible he was loaned in as cover for AFCON for Sarr and we never thought he could also be at AFCON. I wonder if it is possible we are not playing him as we want him for cover and not to get called up. Is it possible he will have a chance to play in December after Sarr leaves and if he fails he is returned in January
 
I really liked what I've seen from Uche but, also, I think I am naturally more inclined to like exciting players having been raised watching the likes of Zaha, Bolasie, McAnuff, Routledge, Olise, Eze etc for us. However, if he isn't working hard enough, or sticking to the gameplan set out by Glasner then he shouldn't play, same for Esse, and I think there isn't a single fan with the right to question Glasner's decision making at this point.

In terms of overall recruitment, it's impossible to get 100% success. No club does it and, if they did, they'd win everything.

Overall I think we get far more right than wrong. I mean, the £160m+ raised from selling Wan-Bissaka, Olise and Eze alone has more than paid for the missteps in Uche, Esse, Ahamada and whoever else. Guehi was another absolute bargain, even if we'll get no financial return on him, and presumably Wharton will go for £80m+ at some point too.

Our position in the table tells us that we get far more right than wrong and, to be honest, the only loss that I think will absolutely devastate us will be Glasner. And I really hope that he signs a new deal so we have a couple more years of him, as am concerned that the likes of Spurs, Liverpool and United might see him as a potential option in the coming months.
 
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