Crystal Palace vs. Brighton match thread

[madcap_v2]

I saw a post match interview with Mitchell after he had been awarded MOM.
He was asked about England and he said he just wants to concentrate on getting Palace as high up the table as possible.
No ego, no fuss and a great team player.
Yes, I know he can’t drop the shoulder and whip in a cross or smash in a 30 yarder into the top corner.
But let’s focus on what he can do- everything else!
Outstanding.

Mitchell should have been in the England squad for Euro 2024 and given our injuries that year, it's a travesty he wasn't. He had a great game yesterday, as did Canvot, which is very encouraging to see. Stepping up and settling into the Premier League pace, a big derby game and at such a young age, is very impressive.

 

[Painter]

I suppose that whilst it was disappointing not attain to all the points at home, the positives can be found in keeping a 'Clean sheet' and not losing to our bitter rivals.
I have to admit to resorting to profanity when the penalty was awarded !

The positive side of VAR, it looked a penalty in real time. VAR revealed Rutter was a cheat.

 

[Willo]

The positive side of VAR, it looked a penalty in real time. VAR revealed Rutter was a cheat.

I was advised last year that he had a reputation for going to ground.

 

[sprites]

The Kamada stuff is mad to me - he's been one of our best players for over 6 months now, huge performances in the cup run, has just won back to back POTM awards... one quiet performance playing in a position he's never really looked comfortable in, and we're talking about him being 'awful' and not warranting his spot!?

I view him as one of our most important players.

It does feel as though some just want him to fail so they can be proved 'right' in calling him s***.

Sorry mate but that’s just a totally inaccurate assessment. To claim he’s been our best player over the last six months is frankly laughable.

He’s improved a lot from his first season, which is helpful because he couldn’t have got much worse. But the trained eye looks past all the buzzing around to see quite an ineffective player who loses the ball frequently. Obviously OG knows best…but how he starts over Hughes who was most people’s POTY last year, well, me and the palace fans I know just can’t understand it.

I guess I’m one of those detractors you’re talking about. I have no desire to see him fail at all. Funnily enough my whole IL side are Japanese so I was so excited when he came here.

Worthwhile squad player, nothing more. Could learn to smile a bit too.

 

[cryrst]

Which is a concern as he is one of the few players who are getting the regular goal scoring chances other than set pieces

He has contributed assists, he fits the system, everything looking good but in the position he plays we need the goals too

I think he'll start adding to his Anfield goal as he settles in to the club and country

Need to start shooting long. 3 times we were around the box and tried to pass.
Take the shot and rebounds or deflections create further chances.
Not sure if it’s OG instructions not to shoot or players afraid to miss.

 

[CPFCSaturn]

Sorry mate but that’s just a totally inaccurate assessment. To claim he’s been our best player over the last six months is frankly laughable.

He’s improved a lot from his first season, which is helpful because he couldn’t have got much worse. But the trained eye looks past all the buzzing around to see quite an ineffective player who loses the ball frequently. Obviously OG knows best…but how he starts over Hughes who was most people’s POTY last year, well, me and the palace fans I know just can’t understand it.

I guess I’m one of those detractors you’re talking about. I have no desire to see him fail at all. Funnily enough my whole IL side are Japanese so I was so excited when he came here.

Worthwhile squad player, nothing more. Could learn to smile a bit too.

I didn’t say our best player, I said one of… which he has. Consecutive POTM awards speak to that.

If we’re going to go that route, I’d suggest the trained eye is that of Glasner and his staff who continue to pick him.

I love Hughes and he’s probably my favourite player in the squad, but surely ‘most people’s player of the year’ is the guy who wins it!

My post wasn’t aimed at anyone specifically, but it does feel as though some people just don’t want to have been proved wrong on Kamada.

 

[The Dolphin]

One of those games really - tired legs and so on.
We missed Guehi but Canvot did okay and wow, is he quick!
Mitchell was MOM for sure.
My only negative is Kamada.
What is he doing, what does he add?
Weak in the tackle, he gives the opposition too much room, he lacks judgement as to what ball to play, tries to one time pass like Wharton.
He had two shots yesterday and he should have passed to JP the first time and crossed the second.
Selfish attempts.
He was getting better last season but now, if he never played for us again, I would not be disappointed.
shame really.

 

[MrRobbo]

Sorry mate but that’s just a totally inaccurate assessment. To claim he’s been our best player over the last six months is frankly laughable.

He’s improved a lot from his first season, which is helpful because he couldn’t have got much worse. But the trained eye looks past all the buzzing around to see quite an ineffective player who loses the ball frequently. Obviously OG knows best…but how he starts over Hughes who was most people’s POTY last year, well, me and the palace fans I know just can’t understand it.

I guess I’m one of those detractors you’re talking about. I have no desire to see him fail at all. Funnily enough my whole IL side are Japanese so I was so excited when he came here.

Worthwhile squad player, nothing more. Could learn to smile a bit too.

You literally dig him out almost every game.

"But the trained eye looks past all the buzzing around to see quite an ineffective player who loses the ball frequently" - Are you the trained eye?

You dont understand it, because you dont have as trained an eye as you think. And default to incorrect observations like he cant tackle.

When it comes down to it, its clear that OG favoured 2 are Wharton and Kamada.

 

[MrRobbo]

One of those games really - tired legs and so on.
We missed Guehi but Canvot did okay and wow, is he quick!
Mitchell was MOM for sure.
My only negative is Kamada.
What is he doing, what does he add?
Weak in the tackle, he gives the opposition too much room, he lacks judgement as to what ball to play, tries to one time pass like Wharton.
He had two shots yesterday and he should have passed to JP the first time and crossed the second.
Selfish attempts.
He was getting better last season but now, if he never played for us again, I would not be disappointed.
shame really.

Its a shame you make such ridiculous statements

 

[pssguy]

Sorry mate but that’s just a totally inaccurate assessment. To claim he’s been our best player over the last six months is frankly laughable.

He’s improved a lot from his first season, which is helpful because he couldn’t have got much worse. But the trained eye looks past all the buzzing around to see quite an ineffective player who loses the ball frequently. Obviously OG knows best…but how he starts over Hughes who was most people’s POTY last year, well, me and the palace fans I know just can’t understand it.

I guess I’m one of those detractors you’re talking about. I have no desire to see him fail at all. Funnily enough my whole IL side are Japanese so I was so excited when he came here.

Worthwhile squad player, nothing more. Could learn to smile a bit too.

He actually said one of our best - but unless that allows up to a dozen it's hard to justify. I would put our back five , Henderson, Wharton, Mateta and Sarr above him for sure.
On the plus side, he was excellent in the two Wembley games. Let's hope he goes one better and is good in three trips there this season

 

[park the bus]

We need a Thomas / Ambrose hybrid, a player that can get from box to box and who has a cracking shot, not much to ask for...

 

[BromleyMonkey]

Pino never came to us as a goalscoring midfielder.
In 5 full seasons at Villarreal he only scored 17 La Liga goals.
In terms of goalscoring across the team, we have missed quite a few opportunities to hit the back of the net, with Mateta being the prime culprit, but at least we are creating the chances.

I would say Pino was the prime culprit in his first couple of games, he had about 6 good chances!! But as you say, at least we’re creating chances and I still think we’re due to give someone a good hiding when we have one of those rare days where everything goes in

 

[PatrickA]

We need a Thomas / Ambrose hybrid, a player that can get from box to box and who has a cracking shot, not much to ask for...

Gallagher would get into the box and can finish too.
Has the right level of aggression, energy and direct approach.
That would be a good present over Christmas/New Year, even if it was only a loan.

 

[ASCPFC]

We need a Thomas / Ambrose hybrid, a player that can get from box to box and who has a cracking shot, not much to ask for...

It's hard for midfielders to get forward in our system. They're essentially a holding midfielder and a defensive playmaker. They're two types of defensive midfielders with one given slightly more licence. It's the system that does not make our central midfield two get many chances to shoot. Except for speculative long range shots (bring any memories?) and set pieces. Some of the only times they're pressing forward.
You don't really see them in the box when you consider it. You may have noticed that Lerma is quite a natural box to box midfielder - but he's more a type of ball winner than an attacking player. Ambrose was really an attacking midfielder - so much different. I suppose Geoff Thomas is a decent example - he was really a defensive midfielder who got forward sometimes. He didn't mind a lash and was frankly, much better than many we have. He scored a good few goals considering his position. More than one in ten. Which will be more than we get from the midfielders - however, I doubt he would score many in this system either.
When you consider it, Munoz gets more forward than our midfielders. Therefore, he gets goals. He has a few doesn't he? Do many other teams have scoring full backs/ wing backs? It's kind of swings and roundabouts - we get the goals from the wider players - not the central ones - barring our striker/ Target man. He is supposed to be forward at all times more or less - except on opposition set pieces.

 

[steeleye20]

The positive side of VAR, it looked a penalty in real time. VAR revealed Rutter was a cheat.

Why not a red card? That would put a stop to it.

A red is issued for denying a goal scoring opportunity, so it should be for buying one through diving..

😎

 

[sprites]

You literally dig him out almost every game.

"But the trained eye looks past all the buzzing around to see quite an ineffective player who loses the ball frequently" - Are you the trained eye?

You dont understand it, because you dont have as trained an eye as you think. And default to incorrect observations like he cant tackle.

When it comes down to it, its clear that OG favoured 2 are Wharton and Kamada.

And you seem hellbent on debating the issue every time, too. I actually don't dig him out every game...the game before last if you look back, you'll see I commended him for a solid performance. I simply acknowledge, like many others, when he has an average game. That just happens to be most weeks.

Yes, I'm a some-what trained eye. Coach of a first team...badges...years of experience etc. No need to go into it. Of course, I'm not claiming to know more than Glasner. No one is debating those two are his preferred pairing. But he wouldn't be the first coach to have a blind spot for someone.

I understand everything. He's positionally sound. Presses well. Knows his triggers. Covers the right channels. Can find a pass, occasionally. I get it. But it's still not enough to dislodge the absolutely outstanding partnership that was Wharts/Hughes. Glasner obviously disagrees. That's fine. That's what fan forums are for.

Honestly, you don't need to defend him every time someone acknowledges he has a bad game.

Shall we move on?

 

[sprites]

It's hard for midfielders to get forward in our system. They're essentially a holding midfielder and a defensive playmaker. They're two types of defensive midfielders with one given slightly more licence. It's the system that does not make our central midfield two get many chances to shoot. Except for speculative long range shots (bring any memories?) and set pieces. Some of the only times they're pressing forward.
You don't really see them in the box when you consider it. You may have noticed that Lerma is quite a natural box to box midfielder - but he's more a type of ball winner than an attacking player. Ambrose was really an attacking midfielder - so much different. I suppose Geoff Thomas is a decent example - he was really a defensive midfielder who got forward sometimes. He didn't mind a lash and was frankly, much better than many we have. He scored a good few goals considering his position. More than one in ten. Which will be more than we get from the midfielders - however, I doubt he would score many in this system either.
When you consider it, Munoz gets more forward than our midfielders. Therefore, he gets goals. He has a few doesn't he? Do many other teams have scoring full backs/ wing backs? It's kind of swings and roundabouts - we get the goals from the wider players - not the central ones - barring our striker/ Target man. He is supposed to be forward at all times more or less - except on opposition set pieces.

Absolutely. That's by design, though. Glasner loves that front five, which includes the two wing backs...gives us full width but also enables the front three to stay quite closer together for fast intricate interchanges. They only do what they do because of the solid base those two deeper midfielders allow. Basically, whether it's Wharton/Hughes/Kamada/Lerma or whoever else...those positions are never going to score many goals. It's just not their role.

 

[Spindle]

Kamada was ok in general play and played well for about an hour. But in their box he was bloody terrible. He totally f***ed up two great chances.

Occasionally. I thought he was anonymous and dispossessed easily. He had a couple of decent moments but overall it was a poor effort.

 

[Spindle]

Its a shame you make such ridiculous statements

Suggest you watch the whole game again and focus on him, unless you are just gooey eyed in defending him. Sprites assessment is decent. When Wharton loses it I can forgive him because he has a massive net gain in classy play at other times, but Kamada does not.

Yes he's played much better this season, after a low bar, but v the weeds he was like when he joined. Let's hope it was a blip and he can contribute next time.

 

[The Dolphin]

Its a shame you make such ridiculous statements

It is my opinion and just because I do not agree with you doesn't make me wrong.
So pleased you like to debate.