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PalazioVecchio said:
i reckon its a professional hit by a paid marksman. He has already disappeared without a trace.

If the cops arrest a fella , it will be like the fellas jailed for the Yorkshire Ripper killings......none of them were Sutcliffe. Or Lee Harvey Oswald.....who was probably at home in bed when JFK got shot.
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Unfortunately, that could be the reality, but will we ever know?

I don't know about the ripper, but you can add MLK to that list. Bobby Kennedy was an MKUltra job. Maybe Lennon too.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Reports coming through that it was a 22 year old rich boy.

Tyler Robinson was a student at Utah Valley University.....I imagine former.
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Let's hope they really got the killer.

I wouldn't execute him. I'd send him to the Neo Nazi Skinhead wing of the scariest clink. Tango and Cash style.
 
That's an immensely tough call, handing your son/friend over.

$100,000 seems to sweeten it a bit. I would grass anyone for that sort of money. 🙂 And they thought so too 😀
 
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So Antifa or not, I guess that's for further investigation.

From the testimony from family members on discussions about Kirk and the writings on the bullet casings ( "Hey fascist, catch!", and lyrics from the anti-fascist Italian partisan song "Bella Ciao") we can lay to rest the argument that this wasn't a far leftist.

He was radicalised on the left and murdered Charlie Kirk for his political views because he didn't like him.
 
Stirlingsays said:
So Antifa or not, I guess that's for further investigation.

From the testimony from family members on discussions about Kirk and the writings on the bullet casings ( "Hey fascist, catch!", and lyrics from the anti-fascist Italian partisan song "Bella Ciao") we can lay to rest the argument that this wasn't a far leftist.

He was radicalised on the left and murdered Charlie Kirk for his political views because he didn't like him.
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Pretty much my take from the press conference I just caught up on.
 
Before I make these observations let me make it very clear I am not defending the shooter, or justifying in any way his actions. No matter how much you disagree with anyone violence of any kind is never justified. I fundamentally disagreed with most of what Charlie Kirk believed as I do with most right wing Evangelicals. Being totally opposed to abortion, fervently in favour of gun rights, a Covid vaccine sceptic and a staunch supporter of the idiot in the White House makes no sense to me. He was though a loving and loved husband and father and fully entitled to live his life and hold his views. Even if they are part of the problem. Those views must be defeated by better arguments. Not bullets.

I watched the news conference and heard what Trump had to say beforehand. In both a certainty was expressed not simply that they had taken into custody the person they were searching for but that they had captured the shooter. The whole presentation was that this guy had already been convicted, before, I suspect, he has even been charged. I fully accept it looks, on face value, likely to be an open and shut case but that is not a justification in a democracy not to apply the innocent until proven standard that underpins everything we stand for.

No doubt everything this guy has ever done will now be examined to try to attach labels to his actions.

More important than them though is why the USA is a breeding ground for people to become so enraged by others they decide to use violence against them and why, when it’s clear that they do, they still permit the widespread availability of the kind of weapon used in this case.

If those weapons didn’t exist then people couldn’t use them. If the right didn’t argue to keep the weapons then they would be banned.

The USA, and especially the current administration, needs to look at itself to try to explain why this murder happened before looking elsewhere. It’s the febrile atmosphere that they create which is actually the primary problem.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
Before I make these observations let me make it very clear I am not defending the shooter, or justifying in any way his actions. No matter how much you disagree with anyone violence of any kind is never justified. I fundamentally disagreed with most of what Charlie Kirk believed as I do with most right wing Evangelicals. Being totally opposed to abortion, fervently in favour of gun rights, a Covid vaccine sceptic and a staunch supporter of the idiot in the White House makes no sense to me. He was though a loving and loved husband and father and fully entitled to live his life and hold his views. Even if they are part of the problem. Those views must be defeated by better arguments. Not bullets.

I watched the news conference and heard what Trump had to say beforehand. In both a certainty was expressed not simply that they had taken into custody the person they were searching for but that they had captured the shooter. The whole presentation was that this guy had already been convicted, before, I suspect, he has even been charged. I fully accept it looks, on face value, likely to be an open and shut case but that is not a justification in a democracy not to apply the innocent until proven standard that underpins everything we stand for.

No doubt everything this guy has ever done will now be examined to try to attach labels to his actions.

More important than them though is why the USA is a breeding ground for people to become so enraged by others they decide to use violence against them and why, when it’s clear that they do, they still permit the widespread availability of the kind of weapon used in this case.

If those weapons didn’t exist then people couldn’t use them. If the right didn’t argue to keep the weapons then they would be banned.

The USA, and especially the current administration, needs to look at itself to try to explain why this murder happened before looking elsewhere. It’s the febrile atmosphere that they create which is actually the primary problem.
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No, the primary problem is people who hold the sort of views that you do.
 
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