Israel v Hamas

[Penge Eagle]

Which is why we offered support for their right to retaliate.

Which has long since gone way beyond that.

Allies need to be able to speak the truth to each other. Not just rubber stamp anything and everything.

Yes, but it is (and should be) done privately.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Why does the UK government have any obligation to Gaza?

You think you have to commit violence in order to be part of a terrorist group? Or there are age limits?

It has no specific obligation to Gaza.

It does have obligations to the UN and to commonly shared humanitarian values and behaviour.

Of course you don’t have to actually commit violence to be part of a terrorist group. They also serve who only stand and wait.

You do though have to support both the aims and the methods. Whilst some might support the aims I doubt that many, if any, support the methods.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Yes, but it is (and should be) done privately.

So what’s the problem? People can protest about their right to protest being undermined.

This very stupid order sends completely the wrong message to the Israeli and US governments. We need to intensify pressure. Not relieve it. Even if will be ignored.

We are on the wrong side in this.

 

[Common Sense Club]

The ones who incited the Southport riots were the ones criticised as far right, along with the worst offenders who were correctly jailed.

Those who protest about an ill-conceived law are’t sympathetic to terrorists. They want to be able to express their right to protest. Nothing more. It’s a basic freedom in the UK.

There are other pro Palestinian organisations that aren’t classified as terrorist organisations. How about protesting under their banners rather than Palestinian Action. Idiots are needed to make a political point apparently and this lot are definitely that.

 

[Penge Eagle]

So what’s the problem? People can protest about their right to protest being undermined.

This very stupid order sends completely the wrong message to the Israeli and US governments. We need to intensify pressure. Not relieve it. Even if will be ignored.

We are on the wrong side in this.

'Met Police say officers 'punched, kicked, spat on and had objects thrown at them' during Palestine protest'

Met Police officers 'punched, kicked, spat on' during Palestine protest

The force condemned it as 'intolerable' abuse, but the organisers claim it was 'the picture of peaceful protest'

www.mylondon.news

Is violent protest acceptable?

Of course, the story is ignored by the BBC.

 

[Penge Eagle]

It has no specific obligation to Gaza.

It does have obligations to the UN and to commonly shared humanitarian values and behaviour.

Of course you don’t have to actually commit violence to be part of a terrorist group. They also serve who only stand and wait.

You do though have to support both the aims and the methods. Whilst some might support the aims I doubt that many, if any, support the methods.

We'll have to disagree on both points.

 

[Spindle]

The police have no choice but to apppy the law. It’s not their fault the whole situation looks so ridiculous. It’s the government’s for introducing such an all inclusive banning order.

Stopping illegal behaviour is fine. Stopping genuine protest is not.

You don't think we should ban groups which make military sabotage attacks on our defence forces then?

 

[Spindle]

Some may well have done but there was little point in such protests. Israel immediately took retaliatory action which was supported by our government.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with the faith of the Israeli people. It has only to do with the politics of the Israeli government. Why is that so difficult to understand?

Why people aren’t so engaged over Yemen is down to that conflict not being as well reported. You can argue about why that is, but you cannot blame people for not knowing. They see the death and destruction. They hear the justification for it and they protest.

We know why that is. It's because the Jew isn't doing it.

 

[cryrst]

The police have no choice but to apppy the law. It’s not their fault the whole situation looks so ridiculous. It’s the government’s for introducing such an all inclusive banning order.

Stopping illegal behaviour is fine. Stopping genuine protest is not.

Keep digging 😂

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

'Met Police say officers 'punched, kicked, spat on and had objects thrown at them' during Palestine protest'

Met Police officers 'punched, kicked, spat on' during Palestine protest

The force condemned it as 'intolerable' abuse, but the organisers claim it was 'the picture of peaceful protest'

www.mylondon.news

Is violent protest acceptable?

Of course, the story is ignored by the BBC.

That was reported by the BBC in their initial report, but not in the updated one.

Violence is never acceptable but you cannot blame the peaceful because of stupidity from idiots.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

There are other pro Palestinian organisations that aren’t classified as terrorist organisations. How about protesting under their banners rather than Palestinian Action. Idiots are needed to make a political point apparently and this lot are definitely that.

Perhaps they do. This though was a protest about not being allowed to protest. Not about being allowed to be violent or in support of those who are.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

You don't think we should ban groups which make military sabotage attacks on our defence forces then?

If that is the stated aim then yes. If it was done by hotheads then no.

Banning any group doesn’t mean you should ban anyone from protesting about the ban. It only means that the group is itself precluded and that anyone supporting its activities is breaking the law.

 

[cryrst]

If that is the stated aim then yes. If it was done by hotheads then no.

Banning any group doesn’t mean you should ban anyone from protesting about the ban. It only means that the group is itself precluded and that anyone supporting its activities is breaking the law.

What are you rambling on about. Stop defending criminals as you call all law breakers; remember!
They are terrorist sympathisers and deserved their punishment. Jail, fines, cancelling, job loss and all that goes with it. Engage brain would be my advice to them. If PA suddenly decided to kill a few if infidels or poison a water supply would you still support them and their supporters.
Hole getting deeper though 🤔

 

[Spindle]

If that is the stated aim then yes. If it was done by hotheads then no.

Banning any group doesn’t mean you should ban anyone from protesting about the ban. It only means that the group is itself precluded and that anyone supporting its activities is breaking the law.

They aren't protesting the ban though. If they are they're pretty thick, they could have a poster saying "I disagree with the banning of PA but I'm not a member or supporter of them" rather than declaring their support.

NONE of these people will EVER be able to get a job with the state in the future because vetting does ask this very question clearly. Oh dear

 

[Common Sense Club]

Perhaps they do. This though was a protest about not being allowed to protest. Not about being allowed to be violent or in support of those who are.

Well that’s a bit odd. You can protest about the situation in Gaza by not saying you support Palestinian Action; I don’t see what you don’t understand about that.
Should the public be allowed to hold banners that say they support far right groups that have been banned or proscribed as terrorist organisations?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We know why that is. It's because the Jew isn't doing it.

Totally ridiculous comment.

This idea that the reason people object to what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza and the West Bank is because they are Jewish is transparent nonsense to anyone with any objectivity at all. When Jewish people are among those objecting you know it’s the politics that is objected to. Not the religion.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Well that’s a bit odd. You can protest about the situation in Gaza by not saying you support Palestinian Action; I don’t see what you don’t understand about that.
Should the public be allowed to hold banners that say they support far right groups that have been banned or proscribed as terrorist organisations?

People ought to be free to hold, and express, whatever beliefs they wish. It’s actions that should be controlled, including the incitement of others to take illegal actions.

So holding a banner saying “I support the Palestine Action Group” is illegal but holding a banner saying either “I want our Government to take action on Palestine” or “Everyone, including the Palestine Action Group, has a right to be heard” ought to be ok. Exactly the same applies to a banned right wing group.

I find it odd that the free speech fundamentalists who populate these pages are not incensed about this.

 

[cryrst]

People ought to be free to hold, and express, whatever beliefs they wish. It’s actions that should be controlled, including the incitement of others to take illegal actions.

So holding a banner saying “I support the Palestine Action Group” is illegal but holding a banner saying either “I want our Government to take action on Palestine” or “Everyone, including the Palestine Action Group, has a right to be heard” ought to be ok. Exactly the same applies to a banned right wing group.

I find it odd that the free speech fundamentalists who populate these pages are not incensed about this.

You missed the point. PA are terrorists as are Hamas and hezbollox. The EDL etc.
Protest about what’s going on but to feck up your life and future is plain dumb. These will all have a no fly against them as well as credit refusal, mortgage refusal, not job etc etc. if they think the court is going to overturn the decision about PA then you are as stupid as them.
beating up plod isn’t too clever either but you haven’t mentioned that because the bbc hasn’t either.

 

[Common Sense Club]

People ought to be free to hold, and express, whatever beliefs they wish. It’s actions that should be controlled, including the incitement of others to take illegal actions.

So holding a banner saying “I support the Palestine Action Group” is illegal but holding a banner saying either “I want our Government to take action on Palestine” or “Everyone, including the Palestine Action Group, has a right to be heard” ought to be ok. Exactly the same applies to a banned right wing group.

I find it odd that the free speech fundamentalists who populate these pages are not incensed about this.

So you can support a proscribed terrorist organisation providing you don’t carry out any actions in their name. What about donating funds to a proscribed terrorist organisation? Is that okay providing you don’t carry out any actions in their name?

 

[cryrst]

So you can support a proscribed terrorist organisation providing you don’t carry out any actions in their name. What about donating funds to a proscribed terrorist organisation? Is that okay providing you don’t carry out any actions in their name?

You are wasting your time. he is a troll just baiting. He hasn’t got the balls to go to a protest and hold the banner even though he defends the one who do !