Tommy Robinson

[cryrst]

There could be several possible reasons why no statement was made, including being scared of retribution from YL supporters. All we know is that it wasn’t and without one the CPS declined a prosecution.

Behave. More likely he realised he set it up and was to be found guilty for incitement.

 

[ASCPFC]

"Far-right activist,...." (BBC website)

Not that their reporting is impartial, or other such nonsense

They saw the person was white and that was enough for them. Despite them being completely wrong.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Yeah, we aren't going to quite agree here. You are talking in absolutes and it's not quite the case that...for example religion stifles reason - universities sprung out of monasteries for example....and those universities were still religious and for centuries up until recently. Early christian literature has many highly educated men of their time writing logically Thomas Aquinas for example.

Also the difference between a moral code and a dogma are how you feel about it.

I'm also someone who believes that some moral codes need to be dominant over others. I wouldn't be a social conservative otherwise. I want the left to live with their moral codes and the right to live with theirs.....I'd kick out the fifth columnist progressives who want to live in conservative well kept areas.

I think the relationship between religion and reason has been largely about control of knowledge.
There might well have been scientific study springing from religious institutions, but in general, the church chose what you should believe.
Science was never dependent on religion, but religion used knowledge or the pretension of wisdom as power.
Moral codes change subtly with each generation. Conservatism attempts to preserve our heritage of morality which has been projected through Christianity.
Christianity is not necessary in order to uphold the codes which make for a decent, civilised society.
What is necessary is to reject other codes, or lack of them, that threaten it. That doesn't mean defeating other religious beliefs, but simply preserving the code that has served us for ourselves.

In practical terms, that threat is carried by demographics and related migration, with the rise of the World Wide Web spreading ideas faster than ever before. This is where the battle to preserve our way of life is.

I'm sure we can both agree on that.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

What is your evidence for suggesting that culture plays a much bigger role?

You seem to recognise that genetics effects (I mean it's insane to think otherwise) physical attributes but then you seem to think that this stops at the brain? You come up with this vague term 'character' and that word can mean many things.

It's not as if this area of research doesn't have extensive coverage. The research on twins separated at birth being hard to refute.....but you probably don't even know about it.

The key element, which you don’t even mention, is behaviour. It’s what people do and not what they think that ultimately affects others.

It’s upbringing, culture and environment that instil disciplines and control. You learn most behaviour. You aren’t born with it. The quality of your brain must undoubtedly vary genetically, so your capacity to learn is impacted, but not the quality of the information being absorbed. Some might have the capacity to be rocket scientists whilst others only shite shovelers. Rocket scientists in North Korea and Europe will though have very different attitudes to both the purpose of their work and their motivations for being involved. That’s learned. Not inherited.

I presume the “extensive twin research“ you rely on is the “Minnesota Study”. I suggest that you read this, especially the concluding paragraph:-

Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart — Communicating Psychological Science

By Joseph Miller September, 2022

www.communicatingpsychologicalscience.com

After that, read through this critique of the study which challenges its methodology, the suppression of its data and, more importantly, its conclusions:-

Bad-Science Warning: The “Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart” (MISTRA)

The huge impact of the MISTRA necessitates a detailed analysis of the “science” behind the study’s major claims and conclusions.

www.madinamerica.com

 

[Stirlingsays]

I think the relationship between religion and reason has been largely about control of knowledge.
There might well have been scientific study springing from religious institutions, but in general, the church chose what you should believe.
Science was never dependent on religion, but religion used knowledge or the pretension of wisdom as power.
Moral codes change subtly with each generation. Conservatism attempts to preserve our heritage of morality which has been projected through Christianity.
Christianity is not necessary in order to uphold the codes which make for a decent, civilised society.
What is necessary is to reject other codes, or lack of them, that threaten it. That doesn't mean defeating other religious beliefs, but simply preserving the code that has served us for ourselves.

In practical terms, that threat is carried by demographics and related migration, with the rise of the World Wide Web spreading ideas faster than ever before. This is where the battle to preserve our way of life is.

I'm sure we can both agree on that.

We have fought many a battle on here when Hol was much divided and I'd say we won most of them....by virtue that most of those opponents buggered off.

So I'm never going to see you as an opponent.

But we obviously feel somewhat differently towards Christianity and religion in general.

Without going down rabbit holes and arguing individual points I'd just say this.

Religious families have more children than the non religious. It's not as if the future is going to be free of religion it's more a case of which one and how it operates. The religion we need to concern ourselves with in Britain is Islam rather than Christianity.

Indeed, as Christianity is part of the British tradition I regard it as an oppositional force of the future against that Islamic enlargement and takeover. So I'm not as keen as you towards a 'plague on all their houses' approach.

We are going to need a large church as it were of different groups, willing to put up with each other, to make a difference, not a bag of cats fighting each other.....which always loses.

 

[Stirlingsays]

It is factual. By most people’s understanding his political views are far right and he is unquestionably an activist.

I suppose if you ignore all the counter evidence to the contrary you could come to that conclusion. I mean, you can say if you want but it doesn't make it true.

I'm not sure exactly what part of the 'far right' cannon accepts transsexuals and killing Catholic kids......To say that's a stretch is going beyond the absurd. The whole Trans issue is only accepted by the left, indeed it's you on these forums who have made inclusive statements about it, not those you regard as 'far right' on here.

But you are clearly trolling....it's all you have.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We have fought many a battle on here when Hol was much divided and I'd say we won most of them....by virtue that most of those opponents buggered off.

So I'm never going to see you as an opponent.

But we obviously feel somewhat differently towards Christianity and religion in general.

Without going down rabbit holes and arguing individual points I'd just say this.

Religious families have more children than the non religious. It's not as if the future is going to be free of religion it's more a case of which one and how it operates. The religion we need to concern ourselves with in Britain is Islam rather than Christianity.

Indeed, as Christianity is part of the British tradition I regard it as an oppositional force of the future against that Islamic enlargement and takeover. So I'm not as keen as you towards a 'plague on all their houses' approach.

We are going to need a large church as it were of different groups, willing to put up with each other, to make a difference, not a bag of cats fighting each other.....which always loses.

If we are talking about cultural Christianity and a banner to wave, then I agree.
If we are talking about God, faith, worship, miracles and other mumbo jumbo, that is a road I can never travel.
I believe that there is a need to resist all backward ideology, no matter what the source. Clearly, in our current world, there are relative levels of religious insanity, with Islam right at the top in terms of the risk to our society.
I will always stand shoulder to shoulder, at least in the figurative sense, with anyone who wishes to preserve the Western, modern Christian way of life over a descent into medieval madness.
The level or credibility of Christian faith held by those who wish to defend our national culture is inconsequential to me while we face this existential threat.

Arguments about God can wait for another day. We have a common purpose, and the flag we wave is secondary.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Behave. More likely he realised he set it up and was to be found guilty for incitement.

Why is it more likely? Can you read minds? Nobody knows but him.

He could easily have been a big mouth who taunted YL and got thumped for his insolence. YL has a track record of such things.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

We have fought many a battle on here when Hol was much divided and I'd say we won most of them....by virtue that most of those opponents buggered off.

So I'm never going to see you as an opponent.

But we obviously feel somewhat differently towards Christianity and religion in general.

Without going down rabbit holes and arguing individual points I'd just say this.

Religious families have more children than the non religious. It's not as if the future is going to be free of religion it's more a case of which one and how it operates. The religion we need to concern ourselves with in Britain is Islam rather than Christianity.

Indeed, as Christianity is part of the British tradition I regard it as an oppositional force of the future against that Islamic enlargement and takeover. So I'm not as keen as you towards a 'plague on all their houses' approach.

We are going to need a large church as it were of different groups, willing to put up with each other, to make a difference, not a bag of cats fighting each other.....which always loses.

What a claim and what an appalling bully boy attitude.

Gang up on those who oppose your views and drive them away so your echo chamber remains undisturbed and regard that as a victory. Views which even those here holding them know are a minority in the wider world.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I suppose if you ignore all the counter evidence to the contrary you could come to that conclusion. I mean, you can say if you want but it doesn't make it true.

I'm not sure exactly what part of the 'far right' cannon accepts transsexuals and killing Catholic kids......To say that's a stretch is going beyond the absurd. The whole Trans issue is only accepted by the left, indeed it's you on these forums who have made inclusive statements about it, not those you regard as 'far right' on here.

But you are clearly trolling....it's all you have.

I regard anyone, whatever their personal circumstances might be, who kills any kids, whatever their religion or lack of a religion might be, as a criminal.

I don’t attribute their criminality to others who might share their personal circumstances. I don’t allow prejudice to interfere with reason. I decide everything on merit alone.

Two of my grandchildren are transgender. Neither have any mental health issues or are involved in any kind of criminal activity. One has completed their masters, with exemplary results and is now studying for their doctorate. The other is about to start their undergraduate course. I am proud of them both. I know them. You don’t. Their politics are middle of the road normal but not important to them. Both are accepted, welcomed and included by all their peers and classmates. The young today have much more open minds than past generations.

Prejudice is not a characteristic I would be proud of.

 

[Stirlingsays]

What a claim and what an appalling bully boy attitude.

Gang up on those who oppose your views and drive them away so your echo chamber remains undisturbed and regard that as a victory. Views which even those here holding them know are a minority in the wider world.

'Drive them away'....funny way to look at it, no one had to leave, they just got tired of having their shirt handed to them. You're an exception because you'd the type who'd just take the shirt....no shame.

As for the rest of it.

I know of what you have sent as DMs to people on here.

So spare me the 'ganging' up and faux morality, you don't have any.....well not of a normal person anyway.

 

[Common Sense Club]

I regard anyone, whatever their personal circumstances might be, who kills any kids, whatever their religion or lack of a religion might be, as a criminal.

I don’t attribute their criminality to others who might share their personal circumstances. I don’t allow prejudice to interfere with reason. I decide everything on merit alone.

Two of my grandchildren are transgender. Neither have any mental health issues or are involved in any kind of criminal activity. One has completed their masters, with exemplary results and is now studying for their doctorate. The other is about to start their undergraduate course. I am proud of them both. I know them. You don’t. Their politics are middle of the road normal but not important to them. Both are accepted, welcomed and included by all their peers and classmates. The young today have much more open minds than past generations.

Prejudice is not a characteristic I would be proud of.

I am curious, Wisbech, as to why 2 of your grandchildren are transgender, and at what age their trans beliefs started to evolve. I appreciate that you may not or cannot comment on any specific physical attributes but I would question whether you or their parents indulged in illegal substances/alcohol etc to any great degree. There are rumours that certain recreational drugs ‘distort’ (for want of a better word), the early development of a baby’s life and particularly points to various high profile individuals having trans children, potentially due to their drug taking habits. You do not have to respond to this but I thought I’d throw this out there.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I regard anyone, whatever their personal circumstances might be, who kills any kids, whatever their religion or lack of a religion might be, as a criminal.

I don’t attribute their criminality to others who might share their personal circumstances. I don’t allow prejudice to interfere with reason. I decide everything on merit alone.

Two of my grandchildren are transgender. Neither have any mental health issues or are involved in any kind of criminal activity. One has completed their masters, with exemplary results and is now studying for their doctorate. The other is about to start their undergraduate course. I am proud of them both. I know them. You don’t. Their politics are middle of the road normal but not important to them. Both are accepted, welcomed and included by all their peers and classmates. The young today have much more open minds than past generations.

Prejudice is not a characteristic I would be proud of.

Well, with your politics it sounds like your proudest achievement.

 

[georgenorman]

I regard anyone, whatever their personal circumstances might be, who kills any kids, whatever their religion or lack of a religion might be, as a criminal.

I don’t attribute their criminality to others who might share their personal circumstances. I don’t allow prejudice to interfere with reason. I decide everything on merit alone.

Two of my grandchildren are transgender. Neither have any mental health issues or are involved in any kind of criminal activity. One has completed their masters, with exemplary results and is now studying for their doctorate. The other is about to start their undergraduate course. I am proud of them both. I know them. You don’t. Their politics are middle of the road normal but not important to them. Both are accepted, welcomed and included by all their peers and classmates. The young today have much more open minds than past generations.

Prejudice is not a characteristic I would be proud of.

Yet you don't think genetics can play a part in deviancy.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Yet you don't think genetics can play a part in deviancy.

He's outed as the living proof.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I am curious, Wisbech, as to why 2 of your grandchildren are transgender, and at what age their trans beliefs started to evolve. I appreciate that you may not or cannot comment on any specific physical attributes but I would question whether you or their parents indulged in illegal substances/alcohol etc to any great degree. There are rumours that certain recreational drugs ‘distort’ (for want of a better word), the early development of a baby’s life and particularly points to various high profile individuals having trans children, potentially due to their drug taking habits. You do not have to respond to this but I thought I’d throw this out there.

Along with questionable showers that he self reported.

You dread to think what went on in his gaff.

 

[Rudi Hedman]

This is all getting quite interesting. Private DM’s and now this.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I regard anyone, whatever their personal circumstances might be, who kills any kids, whatever their religion or lack of a religion might be, as a criminal.

I don’t attribute their criminality to others who might share their personal circumstances. I don’t allow prejudice to interfere with reason. I decide everything on merit alone.

Two of my grandchildren are transgender. Neither have any mental health issues or are involved in any kind of criminal activity. One has completed their masters, with exemplary results and is now studying for their doctorate. The other is about to start their undergraduate course. I am proud of them both. I know them. You don’t. Their politics are middle of the road normal but not important to them. Both are accepted, welcomed and included by all their peers and classmates. The young today have much more open minds than past generations.

Prejudice is not a characteristic I would be proud of.

another case of your 'party trick' on HOL.......fill the thread with stuff with zero relevance to the title of the OP

WISBECH IS TROLLING THE THREAD WITH IRRELEVANT SHYTE

 

[PalazioVecchio]

WISBECH IS TROLLING THE THREAD WITH IRRELEVANT SHYTE


TOMMY ROBINSON OR NOTHING PLEASE.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

TOMMY ROBINSON.............OR GET REPORTED TO BECKY FOR TROLLING AGAIN WISBECH.