Sadly all somewhat irrelevant now. Deliberate (which i'm sure it was not) or not; studs showing, ankle, lunge = rec card. The fact that Van der Ven made a circus out of it is hardly surprising as that is where we unfortunately are in football these days. How many time per match is a player brushed on the chest and collapses holding his face, rolling over and thumping the turf. It makes me wonder what of todays pampered millionaires whould do if caught by a deliberate Chopper Harris flying tackle (for those that remember football in the 60' & 70's). Now that would be funny.