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Team photo from the start of 1974/75

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wpdavid

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I've identified most of the players, but I'm not sure of the one in the back row between Paul Hammond and Stewart Jump. Maybe Jeff Johnson? Or maybe a very young David Swindlehurst? And I have no idea who the assistant coach on the right of the picture is. Any help would be gratefully accepted.
Here are the ones I think I've got right. Please let me know is any are wrong.
Back row: Malcolm Allison, Derek Jeffries, Roy Barry, Paul Hammond, ?????, Stewart Jump, ?????
Front row: Paddy Mulligan, Alan Whittle, Mark Lindsay, Mick Hill, Jim Cannon, Peter Taylor, Don Rogers

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wpdavid said:
I've identified most of the players, but I'm not sure of the one in the back row between Paul Hammond and Stewart Jump. Maybe Jeff Johnson? Or maybe a very young David Swindlehurst? And I have no idea who the assistant coach on the right of the picture is. Any help would be gratefully accepted.
Here are the ones I think I've got right. Please let me know is any are wrong.
Back row: Malcolm Allison, Derek Jeffries, Roy Barry, Paul Hammond, ?????, Stewart Jump, ?????
Front row: Paddy Mulligan, Alan Whittle, Mark Lindsay, Mick Hill, Jim Cannon, Peter Taylor, Don Rogers

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Think the player is Mel Blyth
 
palace72 said:
Think the player is Mel Blyth
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I did wonder about Mel as he did play in the first few games of that season. I just thought he looked a bit young in that photo, but he definitely has Mel's hair cut. And looking more closely, he doesn't actually look too young after all. I think he looks more like Mel than Jeff Johnson, who was my other thought.

Thanks very much!
 
Jameston88 said:
I don't think that's Alan Harris,not sure who it is.
And on a previous post, that isn't Jim Cannon,I think it's Martin Hinshelwood.
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To me ageing eyes the person does look like Martin Hinshelwood, now in his 70s and coaching at Selsey FC.
Maybe I am in dire need of a visit to an Optometrist.
 
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Thank you @Jameston88 and @Willo for your suggestions.

Regarding whether the player next to Peter Taylor is Jim Cannon or Martin Hinshelwood, I do know that Martin Hinshelwood didn't play any games during 1974/75 until March. Possibly injured, as he was prone? Although his younger brother did play a few times. The young Jim Cannon did look different to the older version, especially his hair style, and he did play a few times at the start of 1974/75. To my ageing eye, facially the player next to Peter Taylor in 1974/75 could be Jim Cannon, but I'm open to other people's views.

By way of comparison, here is a squad photo from 12 months later, before the 1975/76 season.
The players and caoches are:
Back row: Jim Cannon, Nick Chatterton, Mick Hill, Martin Hinshelwood, Tony Burns, David Swindlehurst, Derek Jeffries, Jeff Johnson and Peter Johnson
Front row: Malcolm Allison, Dave Horn (trainer), David Kemp, Paddy Mulligan, Peter Wall, Peter Taylor, Alan Whittle, Phil Holder, Kenny Sansom and Terry Venables

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This helps with 1974/75. Apparently the coach on the right of the photo is Frank Lord. And apparently the player next to Peter Taylor is an extremely young Dave Swindlehurst. Thanks everyone though.

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wpdavid said:
I've identified most of the players, but I'm not sure of the one in the back row between Paul Hammond and Stewart Jump. Maybe Jeff Johnson? Or maybe a very young David Swindlehurst? And I have no idea who the assistant coach on the right of the picture is. Any help would be gratefully accepted.
Here are the ones I think I've got right. Please let me know is any are wrong.
Back row: Malcolm Allison, Derek Jeffries, Roy Barry, Paul Hammond, ?????, Stewart Jump, ?????
Front row: Paddy Mulligan, Alan Whittle, Mark Lindsay, Mick Hill, Jim Cannon, Peter Taylor, Don Rogers

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I must say, although i was only 8 at the time, i didn't know Rogers and Taylor were in a squad together
 
Lanzo-Ad said:
I must say, although i was only 8 at the time, i didn't know Rogers and Taylor were in a squad together
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Yeah, for a year or so. Taylor was signed in the Autumn of 1973 and Rogers had joined 12 months previously, so they both played for most of 1973-74. Rogers played a couple of games at the start of 1974/75 before moving to QPR in the deal that brought Ian Evans and Terry Venables to Palace.
 
yep it's Dave Swindlehurst alright - you can tell from the second photo, and Mel Blyth. Two things: what a beautiful kit, let's have the royal blue back not that road sign colour we've got now, and secondly what the f*ck was that team doing in Division Three?
 
ex hibitionist said:
yep it's Dave Swindlehurst alright - you can tell from the second photo, and Mel Blyth. Two things: what a beautiful kit, let's have the royal blue back not that road sign colour we've got now, and secondly what the f*ck was that team doing in Division Three?
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That was down to the first 15 games in 1973/74 yielding 4 draws and 11 defeats. Their results in the rest of that season were actually pretty good. If they'd done as well in the first 15 games on a pro-rata basis as they did in the remaining 27 games, they'd have been promoted staright back to the First Division. Instead, they left themselves too much to do even to stay up in the Second Division. Not Big Mal's finest contribution, and I do feel he gets something of a free pass for that one.
 
wpdavid said:
That was down to the first 15 games in 1973/74 yielding 4 draws and 11 defeats. Their results in the rest of that season were actually pretty good. If they'd done as well in the first 15 games on a pro-rata basis as they did in the remaining 27 games, they'd have been promoted staright back to the First Division. Instead, they left themselves too much to do even to stay up in the Second Division. Not Big Mal's finest contribution, and I do feel he gets something of a free pass for that one.
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I remember the rally started after Alan Whittle got the only goal at Ashton Gate which was one of the two or three games on MOTD. We looked safe until we lost 0-2 at home to Fulham in one of the very worst performances I've seen from a Palace side, then 2-3 at the Den. We had to win our last two, at Swindon which we did but we only drew 1-1 at Cardiff as you will know. Interesting your pro rata stat, Carlisle went up in third with a very low points total so I'm not surprised it's true. But we did underperform in our first year down, I know Big Mal was a fan of Dutch total football at the time, and the players looking back say his ideas were too ambitious at times, and when de Boer was in charge here our play genuinely reminded of some of the turgid disjointed stuff drawing 1-1 at home to Aldershot or Peterboro, we couldn't handle direct sides away from home, and in three years down there I don't think we ever beat Chesterfield, but there was real quality in that squad, more than during our doldrums a division higher in the 80s I would argue.
 
ex hibitionist said:
I remember the rally started after Alan Whittle got the only goal at Ashton Gate which was one of the two or three games on MOTD. We looked safe until we lost 0-2 at home to Fulham in one of the very worst performances I've seen from a Palace side, then 2-3 at the Den. We had to win our last two, at Swindon which we did but we only drew 1-1 at Cardiff as you will know. Interesting your pro rata stat, Carlisle went up in third with a very low points total so I'm not surprised it's true. But we did underperform in our first year down, I know Big Mal was a fan of Dutch total football at the time, and the players looking back say his ideas were too ambitious at times, and when de Boer was in charge here our play genuinely reminded of some of the turgid disjointed stuff drawing 1-1 at home to Aldershot or Peterboro, we couldn't handle direct sides away from home, and in three years down there I don't think we ever beat Chesterfield, but there was real quality in that squad, more than during our doldrums a division higher in the 80s I would argue.
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I have to say that your first-hand memory of those days is way better than mine. I must also say that my Maths was slightly wrong. If we extrapolate their 30 points from their last 27 games to a whole season's 42 games, they would actually be two points behind Carlisle who, as you said, finished third, and a further point behind Luton who finished second. I suppose I could argue that those first 15 games did include defeats to both of those sides, so reversing those results as part of the calculations would have put us in the top 3, but I know that's not really what I wrote in the first place. As you said, we looked as if we might have saved things, but for three consecutive defeats in April: 3-2 at Millwall, 2-0 at home to Fulham and 2-0 at home to Hull. And I can't claim to actually remember any of that at all without taking a look at the results.

The other criticism I'd level at Allison is not getting those players out of the Third Division in two attempts. I know the Cup run was something of a distraction in 1976, but actually results in the league had started to deteriorate before then, with four straight defeats in December and early January.
 
BromleyMonkey said:
I know what you mean Lanzo, although this was my first season, I never saw DR play for us, he’d definitely gone by the time I started going, so it almost doesn’t look right to me
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Rogers only played two home matchs in 1974/75, against Tranmere and then against Swindon. Oddly, he came on as a substitute in that game. Then he left for QPR.

I was going to ask what was the first game you attended, but I see there's a another thread about that. I reckon the first games you attended against Rotherham, Mansfield and Hereford were in 1975/76, a year after Rogers departed.
 
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