Various issues are brought up on here for discussion such as black holes,tax,political parties immigration etc these discussions seem to tio toe around the NHS. I just wondered are people for or against the NHS or do you want it sold off or be underfunded.
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crvenaeagle
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It has the potential to be restored. The last thing I want is for it all to be sold of to profiteers (mostly American companies and corporations) but whilst the government is wasting ludicrous amount of money on red tape and bureaucracy that looks impossible.
The Lower Thames Crossing has cost the taxpayer £1.2 billion - and that's just the application fee! Construction hasn't even started yet.
HS2, a rail network that no ordinary member of the public will be able to afford a ticket for anyway has cost £98 billion.
We need to fix our priorities before trying to save the NHS.
The Lower Thames Crossing has cost the taxpayer £1.2 billion - and that's just the application fee! Construction hasn't even started yet.
HS2, a rail network that no ordinary member of the public will be able to afford a ticket for anyway has cost £98 billion.
We need to fix our priorities before trying to save the NHS.
PalazioVecchio
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Visit the quack when we play in Dublin. A 5 minute consultation with the GP will cost you 65 quid. And even if its only a quick follow-up, for whatever, another 65 on top.
You cannot afford to get sick over here. Probably a better Health Service in Calcutta.
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Sowhere on a list of priorities does the NHS come?
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It needs to be fixed but there are too many vested interests for that to happen.
Doctors run the NHS for their convenience. Consultants who do part time, then work in the private sector for the rest of the week.
Bureaucracy gone mad, and zero accountability on the ward. Nurses form filling and refusing to do basic stuff such as emptying pans, bed baths, shaving patients etc. (below them).
Waste and fraud are rife.
As for funding we need to move to a proper insurance model. The number of people who actually pay National Insurance and Income tax is decreasing putting a burden on that group. Meanwhile we have an ever larger group who contribute nothing e.g. the retired. Just like your car insurance everybody should pay something perhaps the retired, children and employed it should be a flat fee of say £500pa.
The NHS should be free at point of use but we all should pay something towards it.
Doctors run the NHS for their convenience. Consultants who do part time, then work in the private sector for the rest of the week.
Bureaucracy gone mad, and zero accountability on the ward. Nurses form filling and refusing to do basic stuff such as emptying pans, bed baths, shaving patients etc. (below them).
Waste and fraud are rife.
As for funding we need to move to a proper insurance model. The number of people who actually pay National Insurance and Income tax is decreasing putting a burden on that group. Meanwhile we have an ever larger group who contribute nothing e.g. the retired. Just like your car insurance everybody should pay something perhaps the retired, children and employed it should be a flat fee of say £500pa.
The NHS should be free at point of use but we all should pay something towards it.
johnny the eagle
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So, you think the retired have not contributed anything, do you? I worked for 50 years and paid my stamp for those 50 years. Never been on benefits ever in my whole life. I retired at 65 in 2012. So, you think I should carry on paying, do you? I bloody well don't.
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Palace Old Geezer
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I'm off to see my NHS consultant this afternoon for my routine 3 monthly check up. The medics have been terrific as far as I'm concerned and I'm still here despite being diagnosed with an incurable illness in 2011.
I used to work in the private medical insurance sector and thought private treatment was best by far. I can no longer afford the extortionate cost of medical insurance and now have no need for it thanks to the magnificent work done by the NHS.
I used to work in the private medical insurance sector and thought private treatment was best by far. I can no longer afford the extortionate cost of medical insurance and now have no need for it thanks to the magnificent work done by the NHS.
Teddy Eagle
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NHS Dentists charge enough in London. Mine managed to spin things into three visits surprisingly often.Visit the quack when we play in Dublin. A 5 minute consultation with the GP will cost you 65 quid. And even if its only a quick follow-up, for whatever, another 65 on top.
You cannot afford to get sick over here. Probably a better Health Service in Calcutta.
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Harvey Morrison Sherratt (9) died on July 29th.
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grumpymort
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USA
A lot of people like to come out with all sorts of reasons behind the failings of the NHS.
The hard truth is people are the problem many of them have illness/disease which can be solved without the NHS but they refuse to do lifestyle/diet changes which results in them needing more care which then results in other health issues associated with each other.
NHS was not built for what it is today disease management.
Can it be corrected no a hard reset would be required which can't be done.
I see a lot of people go on about it moving to be private or controlled by Americans a large % of it already is pharmaceutical industry puts in a lot of money and has a big say in it which is why it's also gone in the direction it has they don't want people 100% healthy.
The hard truth is people are the problem many of them have illness/disease which can be solved without the NHS but they refuse to do lifestyle/diet changes which results in them needing more care which then results in other health issues associated with each other.
NHS was not built for what it is today disease management.
Can it be corrected no a hard reset would be required which can't be done.
I see a lot of people go on about it moving to be private or controlled by Americans a large % of it already is pharmaceutical industry puts in a lot of money and has a big say in it which is why it's also gone in the direction it has they don't want people 100% healthy.
ASCPFC
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Doctors actively resist any attempt to charge ineligible patients. Luckily, their relatives can be flown over, treated and gone. No one will do anything about it. Or even be expected to do anything about it. Tory/ Labour - no different.
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PalazioVecchio
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Financially ? Somewhere behind Ukraine, Palestine, and the large budget for Rainbow Zebra crossings ?
Is that your opinion?
Forest Hillbilly
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i consider the NHS to be a core national asset. I don't know how you can financially quantify that, against other imperatives. Whatever the other assets are competing for finance, I would think the NHS is top 3. Probably defence is number 1. Education is fighting with the NHS for second place.
So did I.
But whatever money they took from us for the NHS has long gone. It's ridiculous to say that people who use a system should not pay something at the least.
As I said previously the section of the population that no longer works and pays taxes has been growing rapidly, something has to give.
Forest Hillbilly
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The NHS is able to treat more conditions, that previously were beyond treatment. Treatments are more expensive as technology progresses, so they are treating more people that ever, but with declining monies as we get a top-heavy aging population, living longer.
More effective drugs also burden the NHS with additional costs.
What we really need, is some kind of national pandemic, where we can put infected people into care homes to kill pensioners and reduce the burden on the NHS.
More effective drugs also burden the NHS with additional costs.
What we really need, is some kind of national pandemic, where we can put infected people into care homes to kill pensioners and reduce the burden on the NHS.
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They used to call them bingo halls-well at least this idea has wiiings!
johnny the eagle
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It's not the retired or pensioners' fault that scores of governments past and present in this country have squandered the dosh, instead of investing it wisely, that we and others have paid into the NI, tax, income tax, road tax, etc, etc. We have a prime example at this very moment in time of this load of labour plonkers wasting our money, hard-earned cash, on illegal landings on our shores. How much are they chucking away on that little lot that could go to help the NHS? Loads. Have a good look at the bigger picture, I have, it's opened my mince pies.
Rudi Hedman
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I agree with your opposition to these government decisions, but if you’re around 65, your life expectancy is about 82 I think. It used to be a lot lower. You could live until a lot older, with the NHS able to keep you alive in ways it couldn’t before, while that other pensioner waiting for a new hip exists in agony. Or you could be the one without the new hip.
That's a lovely idea,we (since WW2) haven't had any dosh to play with,we are drowning irrevocably in a tsunami of debt,we are nowhere near paying off the interest let alone reducing the debt mountain, yes covid piled it up higher.Financially immigration is a pin prick, every chancellor would say that growth is the panacea as it provides more revenue,boosts confidence in Britain PLC and as a consequence reduces interest payments on the aforementioned debt. A consensus on this is nigh on impossible,the only certainty is future generations will be left with a huge burden.
Especially when we stump up £2 trillion to Hamas, sorry Palestine. Then countless billions to Caribbean countries in reparations oh don’t forget leasing our own territories back to ourselves.