Main Stand redevelopment thread

[Adrift]

They're one of the biggest companies in the UK, they earn 10x a week what we earn in a year, do you honestly belive Sainsbury's would be that bothered about a small bit of land at one of their thousands of stores across the country and would intentionally hold the club to ransom over it ? No chance. Why would they ? It just makes no sense. Seems far more likely to me that the club wanted it on the cheap and soon realised they wouldn't get away with it against a company of that size and so spent years using that as yet another excuse.

Typically, a ransom strip is worth 1/3 of the project. So if the stand costs £100mil then its worth £30mil. Its value has nothing to do with the actual value of the piece of land.
They couldn't just give that away, Blackrock is one of their major shareholders and they aren't known for their generosity.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Typically, a ransom strip is worth 1/3 of the project. So if the stand costs £100mil then its worth £30mil. Its value has nothing to do with the actual value of the piece of land.
They couldn't just give that away, Blackrock is one of their major shareholders and they aren't known for their generosity.

Talking of ransom strips.

I'm having a quiet day, so I thought about how the stadium might progress.

The new stand lends itself to a footprint like I've put in the attachment.

That would allow the Whitehorse and Arthur to join up and also attach to the current Holmesdale end. The Arthur could remain a single tier stand if necessary, with a downward slope on the roof from each end.

The question would be whether we can suspend a roof and upper terracing over Sainsbury's.

Come on Mr Johnson, you know you want to.

 

[silvertop]

They're one of the biggest companies in the UK, they earn 10x a week what we earn in a year, do you honestly belive Sainsbury's would be that bothered about a small bit of land at one of their thousands of stores across the country and would intentionally hold the club to ransom over it ? No chance. Why would they ? It just makes no sense. Seems far more likely to me that the club wanted it on the cheap and soon realised they wouldn't get away with it against a company of that size and so spent years using that as yet another excuse.

And do you honestly think there is one bloke managing such a vest estate for sainsburys who thinks: bah, what's £30m here and there? F**k it.

There will be a significant team of estate manages, fully lawyered, with targets to meet. If they conceded badly, heads would roll.

 

[dreamwaverider]

Talking of ransom strips.

I'm having a quiet day, so I thought about how the stadium might progress.

The new stand lends itself to a footprint like I've put in the attachment.

That would allow the Whitehorse and Arthur to join up and also attach to the current Holmesdale end. The Arthur could remain a single tier stand if necessary, with a downward slope on the roof from each end.

The question would be whether we can suspend a roof and upper terracing over Sainsbury's.

Come on Mr Johnson, you know you want to.

Wow! That really throws things wide open.
To go down this kind of road would have a completely new set of logistics which no doubt would devour the next ten years!!
But we should never say never. Who knows what Woody may be thinking.
Love your concept though.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

Wow! That really throws things wide open.
To go down this kind of road would have a completely new set of logistics which no doubt would devour the next ten years!!
But we should never say never. Who knows what Woody may be thinking.
Love your concept though.

It's all about money. It just needs someone to invest in the ground.

The new main stand costs so much because it incorporates so much of the club's infrastructure. The rest of the ground would just be seats, food and drink, toilets etc.

Continuing the style of the new stand on at least three sides of the ground makes perfect sense in terms of aesthetics. It's really just a question of overcoming any issues with the Sainsbury's end.

The Arthur is set below the road level, so a new roof wouldn't make much difference to light etc, if it remained one tier.
It would be good for 40+k with the corners filled in and a few thousand extra in the Whitehorse.

It's been a quiet week. 🙂

 

[Malcolm Al]

It's all about money. It just needs someone to invest in the ground.

The new main stand costs so much because it incorporates so much of the club's infrastructure. The rest of the ground would just be seats, food and drink, toilets etc.

Continuing the style of the new stand on at least three sides of the ground makes perfect sense in terms of aesthetics. It's really just a question of overcoming any issues with the Sainsbury's end.

The Arthur is set below the road level, so a new roof wouldn't make much difference to light etc, if it remained one tier.
It would be good for 40+k with the corners filled in and a few thousand extra in the Whitehorse.

It's been a quiet week. 🙂

We don't, and never did need a fairy-tale mega-stand costing gazzillions; this is just a SP ego trip. What we needed was a two tier stand to match the Holmesdale costing half the price and which would probably be up and running by now. Then there would be a more realistic chance of having funds to develop the Whitehorse and AW. Instead (if the new stand ever does gets built) we'll have one show-piece Disneyland stand, one half decent stand (Holmesdale) and two no-longer fit for purpose stands which I can't see us having the money to re-build in the next 25 years. Strategic thinking has never been a strongpoint for our Board...

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

We don't, and never did need a fairy-tale mega-stand costing gazzillions; this is just a SP ego trip. What we needed was a two tier stand to match the Holmesdale costing half the price and which would probably be up and running by now. Then there would be a more realistic chance of having funds to develop the Whitehorse and AW. Instead (if the new stand ever does gets built) we'll have one show-piece Disneyland stand, one half decent stand (Holmesdale) and two no-longer fit for purpose stands which I can't see us having the money to re-build in the next 25 years. Strategic thinking has never been a strongpoint for our Board...

Do give it a rest.

If you want to continue to have an antiquated sub Championship ground, then good luck.

Judging by your posts so far, you don't have much of a clue.

Your username is appropriate for someone who wishes to remain in the '70s. Palace needs a ground that will last for decades. This is the first step.

Perhaps you and your like minds should support Bromley. You will feel right at home there.

 

[Malcolm Al]

Do give it a rest.

If you want to continue to have an antiquated sub Championship ground, then good luck.

Judging by your posts so far, you don't have much of a clue.

Your username is appropriate for someone who wishes to remain in the '70s. Palace needs a ground that will last for decades. This is the first step.

Perhaps you and your like minds should support Bromley. You will feel right at home there.

You clearly didn't read my post properly; I want Selhurst to be redeveloped for the future as we currently only have one half decent stand. What i said is that the proposed new stand is unnecessarily extravagant and expensive and perhaps if we went for something more appropriate it would already have been built and generating funds to redevelop the remaining two sides.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

You clearly didn't read my post properly; I want Selhurst to be redeveloped for the future as we currently only have one half decent stand. What i said is that the proposed new stand is unnecessarily extravagant and expensive and perhaps if we went for something more appropriate it would already have been built and generating funds to redevelop the remaining two sides.

No it isn't.

 

[silvertop]

You clearly didn't read my post properly; I want Selhurst to be redeveloped for the future as we currently only have one half decent stand. What i said is that the proposed new stand is unnecessarily extravagant and expensive and perhaps if we went for something more appropriate it would already have been built and generating funds to redevelop the remaining two sides.

...and no it wouldn't.

 

[becky]

We don't, and never did need a fairy-tale mega-stand costing gazzillions; this is just a SP ego trip. What we needed was a two tier stand to match the Holmesdale costing half the price and which would probably be up and running by now. Then there would be a more realistic chance of having funds to develop the Whitehorse and AW. Instead (if the new stand ever does gets built) we'll have one show-piece Disneyland stand, one half decent stand (Holmesdale) and two no-longer fit for purpose stands which I can't see us having the money to re-build in the next 25 years. Strategic thinking has never been a strongpoint for our Board...

Yet strangely they have all become millionaires through their own business ventures............

 

[rob1861]

We don't, and never did need a fairy-tale mega-stand costing gazzillions; this is just a SP ego trip. What we needed was a two tier stand to match the Holmesdale costing half the price and which would probably be up and running by now. Then there would be a more realistic chance of having funds to develop the Whitehorse and AW. Instead (if the new stand ever does gets built) we'll have one show-piece Disneyland stand, one half decent stand (Holmesdale) and two no-longer fit for purpose stands which I can't see us having the money to re-build in the next 25 years. Strategic thinking has never been a strongpoint for our Board...

Not sure it's an ego trip but improves the long term financial viability of the club by building that stand. We currently punch above our weight with financially savvy decisions.

What would be great is that when Steve eventually decides he's done his bit for the club that we can have a less effective management team still keep us in the prem because we have the size to be less efficient. Think Man Utd, they've been dreadfully run for over a decade but maintained their status due to the sheer competitive advantage they were given by the previous management to the Glazers.

The new main stand is about premium value fans so that value per seat goes up improving profitability, Steve and team designed the stand so it allows the average punter to still enjoy the game without prawn sandwiches destroying the atmosphere, seems like a good idea to me.

We just need to balance short term costs vs long term increased revenues.