Jenrick and us

[Glazier#1]

Sorry if this subject has a thread of it's own but I searched and couldn't find it.

It's difficult, too, to find the original comments that aren't behind a paywall.

I get the general drift and I do wonder.

According to the independent, he said he brought up skin colour "because it's incredibly important we have a fully integrated society".

Well, ok. If I see someone with black skin, do I assume that they are an immigrant? Is it the same thing? What about those who have black skin and are second/third generation? Born here, raised here and integrated into the British way of life? Would I be able to know this simply by looking at them?

So, could it be that there is a discomfort from simply seeing 'too many' black skins and feeling uncomfortable as a result? If that is the case, are there citizens of the UK who just don't want to see black faces in what they consider to be a white nation by heritage?

If that is the case, an unpalatable truth, would such people want to repatriate those of non-white skin colour? If so, how would that work?

I would suggest that skin colour is not necessarily an indicator of integration. That has more to do with behaviour, surely?

 

[beak]

He perpetually seeks a theme that chimes with the Tory psyche usually missing the mark.His motive is to harness some of the emotions that make Reform popular.

 

[silvertop]

What he says he failed to see was a white face. There are many parts of the UK that are like that. However, given about 85% of the population are white, most parts are not.

Not sure what point he was making?

 

[martin2412]

What he says he failed to see was a white face. There are many parts of the UK that are like that. However, given about 85% of the population are white, most parts are not.

Not sure what point he was making?

I think the point he was making is that there are areas where there are predominantly one race of people, and not a mix, which he'd like to see everywhere apparently.
He's more or less suggesting it's a bit like apartheid.

 

[Glazier#1]

I think the point he was making is that there are areas where there are predominantly one race of people, and not a mix, which he'd like to see everywhere apparently.
He's more or less suggesting it's a bit like apartheid.

If he is suggesting that then it doesn't ring true according to locals. They say there is a wide mix of ethnicities in Handsworth. His comments were, curiously, about the lack of white skinned people particularly and, so I see, comments about the place looking like a "Slum".

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

I think the point he was making is that there are areas where there are predominantly one race of people, and not a mix, which he'd like to see everywhere apparently.
He's more or less suggesting it's a bit like apartheid.

The article (and I'm going from memory) was where he visited a part of Birmingham and "didn't see another white face" because of the predominance of Asians. He added something along the lines of he didn't want to see places ghetto-ised because people weren't mixing or integrating.

Seeing a snap-shot of real life can be a shock to these public-schoolboys. People don't mix all nicely like they do on Eastenders and Coronation Street. He then said he couldn't understand the Asian 'jibber-jabber', and the shops smelt funny and he left before it got dark 😀

 

[Glazier#1]

The article (and I'm going from memory) was where he visited a part of Birmingham and "didn't see another white face" because of the predominance of Asians. He added something along the lines of he didn't want to see places ghetto-ised because people weren't mixing or integrating.

Seeing a snap-shot of real life can be a shock to these public-schoolboys. People don't mix all nicely like they do on Eastenders and Coronation Street. He then said he couldn't understand the Asian 'jibber-jabber', and the shops smelt funny and he left before it got dark 😀

No! Did he really say that, verbatim?

Smelt funny? Yup that's funny alright.

Surely he never said that.

I was going to go into an Indian restaurant the other day but walked on because it smelt funny.


Who are these comments meant for?

 

[Forest Hillbilly]

Obviously, the Tory shadow cabinet is a good mix of skin colours, all privately educated.

 

[JRW2]

Sorry if this subject has a thread of it's own but I searched and couldn't find it.

It's difficult, too, to find the original comments that aren't behind a paywall.

I get the general drift and I do wonder.

According to the independent, he said he brought up skin colour "because it's incredibly important we have a fully integrated society".

Well, ok. If I see someone with black skin, do I assume that they are an immigrant? Is it the same thing? What about those who have black skin and are second/third generation? Born here, raised here and integrated into the British way of life? Would I be able to know this simply by looking at them?

So, could it be that there is a discomfort from simply seeing 'too many' black skins and feeling uncomfortable as a result? If that is the case, are there citizens of the UK who just don't want to see black faces in what they consider to be a white nation by heritage?

If that is the case, an unpalatable truth, would such people want to repatriate those of non-white skin colour? If so, how would that work?

I would suggest that skin colour is not necessarily an indicator of integration. That has more to do with behaviour, surely?

Your post consists almost entirely of rhetorical questions (10 question marks). How about expressing some opinions?

 

[georgenorman]

He said nothing out of the ordinary, the majority of people in this country would say the same.

 

[Glazier#1]

Your post consists almost entirely of rhetorical questions (10 question marks). How about expressing some opinions?

Well, to be fair, I did write this at the end:

"I would suggest that skin colour is not necessarily an indicator of integration. That has more to do with behaviour, surely?"

Well, ok. If I see someone with black skin, do I assume that they are an immigrant? I might do but Is it the same thing? Of course not; they could be born and raised here and may even be raised by parents whose parents were born here. What about those who have black skin and are second/third generation? Born here, raised here and integrated into the British way of life?

Would I be able to know this simply by looking at them? No

So, could it be that there is a discomfort from simply seeing 'too many' black skins and feeling uncomfortable as a result? Yes, for some. If that is the case, are there citizens of the UK who just don't want to see black faces in what they consider to be a white nation by heritage? Don't know, that's why I'm asking.

If that is the case, an unpalatable truth, would such people want to repatriate those of non-white skin colour? If so, how would that work? No, I certainly wouldn't

I would suggest that skin colour is not necessarily an indicator of integration. That has more to do with behaviour, surely?

The questions were there to open debate and not rhetorical.

Now, JRW2, your turn. 🙂

 

[Spindle]

I think the point he was making is that there are areas where there are predominantly one race of people, and not a mix, which he'd like to see everywhere apparently.
He's more or less suggesting it's a bit like apartheid.

Indeed. Had Diane Abbot said something about not seeing any black faces in a countryside market town somewhere then they'd have been all over it calling white people racists and demanding change of the DEI kind.

 

[JRW2]

Well, to be fair, I did write this at the end:

"I would suggest that skin colour is not necessarily an indicator of integration. That has more to do with behaviour, surely?"



I would suggest that skin colour is not necessarily an indicator of integration. That has more to do with behaviour, surely?

The questions were there to open debate and not rhetorical.

Now, JRW2, your turn. 🙂

Of course it isn't. And I can't stand Jenrick. 😉