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Crystal Palace towers

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bicycle repair man

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The powers that be at Selhurst Park seem to be erasing the origins of CPFC.
On various bits of kit and other merchandise, and even images of the new stand, the club badge is shown minus the historic Crystal Palace towers.
To me they are an integral part of the Palace badge, and have been since long before we were called the Eagles.
I don't understand why they are doing this, without even consulting the fans, but I will not be buying any Palace goods without the proper club badge including the towers.
 
The club likes to rewrite history as we have seen with the fake 1861 foundation date and fabricated history on the website. At least one of the suggested new badges years ago didn't have the Crystal Palace in it at all! However, in this case they have been transparent in that a simplified badge on some merchandise will be used - the full one is always on the shirts - and I'm ok with that. The FA has introduced new laws that clubs cannot change club crests without consultation with the fans. I don't believe Palace did this with adding a new formation date on the club crest.
 
Penge Eagle said:
The club likes to rewrite history as we have seen with the fake 1861 foundation date and fabricated history on the website. At least one of the suggested new badges years ago didn't have the Crystal Palace in it at all! However, in this case they have been transparent in that a simplified badge on some merchandise will be used - the full one is always on the shirts - and I'm ok with that. The FA has introduced new laws that clubs cannot change club crests without consultation with the fans. I don't believe Palace did this with adding a new formation date on the club crest.
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I’ve always hated the club merchandise with only half the badge, it just looks unfinished
I suppose any changes like this, no-one would give a monkeys if we were playing great football and challenging for trophies
I climbed on board the palace rollercoaster about the time Big Mal was reinventing the club with new colours, nickname and badge, I seem to remember a bit of uproar from older fans, but apart from that few years with white and the sash we’re still playing in red n blue with the nickname of eagles 50 years later
 
When I started supporting Palace in 63/64 season this badge was on our shirt. I never quite understood it - no reference to the club name or history, not even claret and blue which were our traditional colours

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I don't like it either but I'm 'fraid the big clubs started doing this a few years ago and now everyone is following suit.

I don't like it when clubs have their badges all one colour on their kits either.
 
evolution and change are inevitable. Do we really want to be called 'the Glaziers' ?

however , i do like a nod to the past ....the Towers, the fact a club called Crystal Palace played at the very start of World Football in 1861 or the fact that all the early FA cup finals were held at Palace.

today, we are Eagles. Personally , i would like to see the 'South London' part of our brand being brought to the forefront. Most European football fans dont even have a clue where we are. A bit like how we view Atalanta or Young Boys ( remind me again where that is ). We are Eagles...... Crystal Palace - South London. innit
 
PalazioVecchio said:
evolution and change are inevitable. Do we really want to be called 'the Glaziers' ?

however , i do like a nod to the past ....the Towers, the fact a club called Crystal Palace played at the very start of World Football in 1861 or the fact that all the early FA cup finals were held at Palace.

today, we are Eagles. Personally , i would like to see the 'South London' part of our brand being brought to the forefront. Most European football fans dont even have a clue where we are. A bit like how we view Atalanta or Young Boys ( remind me again where that is ). We are Eagles...... Crystal Palace - South London. innit
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Well, we are the glaziers really but just as that building doesn't exist (though if I were in charge I'd rebuild it) that form of Palace doesn't exist. Palace undergoing a complete image change.

Change often is difficult....it isn't always for the better either, more often than not its motivations are a bit dodgy from those who aren't attached to the history....on the flip side, when it works all the merrier.

Now most supporters don't even realise what the club was and its history. Does that really matter? No not really, the past doesn't win football games.

However, for those that actually care....and I tip my hat to them....the football club's beginnings matter.

For me, as a fan, a football club is a location.....Hell it's in our name, and in the name of most other clubs.

Obviously for the business world it's about money first, second and third.

We were lucky that in the club's darkest hour we found some owners where that wasn't the case.
 
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bicycle repair man said:
The towers aren't on the yellow shirt.
And now they have disappeared from images of the new stand.
Slippery slope.
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Must admit I hadn't even noticed that (re yellow kit) before you'd pointed that out.

My views on this are quite liberal, but thats too far for me.

IMO:

Match kits should all have the proper badge.

Training wear and casual wear is ok with derivatives of the badge and/or other iconography

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Not say I agree, but we are seeing it with football badges, in that same way that we are with consumer brand. Logo are getting simplified. Legacy elements and fonts are being replaced with cleaner bolder fonts.
 
It does seem odd to change the logo on one shirt only. If it was a trial run to see fans reaction you’d think they might have highlighted it. Given all the chat about the design of the new stand highlighting the club’s origins at the Crystal Palace it would be a strange decision to ditch the towers at this stage.
 
Is having the club crest as just an eagle (and pretending we are the oldest club in the world) a pitiful ploy to appeal to a US market?
 
Palacesince64 said:
It does seem odd to change the logo on one shirt only. If it was a trial run to see fans reaction you’d think they might have highlighted it. Given all the chat about the design of the new stand highlighting the club’s origins at the Crystal Palace it would be a strange decision to ditch the towers at this stage.
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Man U have done it this season. Have a basic devil on their white away kit. Others like Everton and Spurs have also done it too recently.

In the Championship a few clubs have their old badges from the 60s or 70s on their away shirts. Leeds and Sheff Utd being two and I'm sure there's another club as well.
 
Stirlingsays said:
Well, we are the glaziers really but just as that building doesn't exist (though if I were in charge I'd rebuild it) that form of Palace doesn't exist. Palace undergoing a complete image change.

Change often is difficult....it isn't always for the better either, more often than not its motivations are a bit dodgy from those who aren't attached to the history....on the flip side, when it works all the merrier.

Now most supporters don't even realise what the club was and its history. Does that really matter? No not really, the past doesn't win football games.

However, for those that actually care....and I tip my hat to them....the football club's beginnings matter.

For me, as a fan, a football club is a location.....Hell it's in our name, and in the name of most other clubs.

Obviously for the business world it's about money first, second and third.

We were lucky that in the club's darkest hour we found some owners where that wasn't the case.
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The location matters particularly in this case since the area was named after the building. Previously it was known as Penge Place. Not a great name for a football club.
 
As someone pointed this out a lot of the bigger clubs have started using a more basic crest on their shirts but keeping their official badge for other merch and official club things.

There was an article i read about it as liverpool fans were unhappy they just had the liverbird now and the hillsborough flames were moved to the back of the shirt

Spurs and arsenal, United have all started to have away and third kits with a modified basic badge

Its to do with Marketing to certain other markets - probably the US

I dont see an issue if its done on just one kit every now and again for something different.

But Spurs recently have removed the name from their official club badge (hilarious, someone was probably paid thousands of pounds to decide that)

Slowly but surely clubs will morph into americanisms for the 'greater good' of marketing and playing to a US market
 
MFW94 said:
As someone pointed this out a lot of the bigger clubs have started using a more basic crest on their shirts but keeping their official badge for other merch and official club things.

There was an article i read about it as liverpool fans were unhappy they just had the liverbird now and the hillsborough flames were moved to the back of the shirt

Spurs and arsenal, United have all started to have away and third kits with a modified basic badge

Its to do with Marketing to certain other markets - probably the US

I dont see an issue if its done on just one kit every now and again for something different.

But Spurs recently have removed the name from their official club badge (hilarious, someone was probably paid thousands of pounds to decide that)

Slowly but surely clubs will morph into americanisms for the 'greater good' of marketing and playing to a US market
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It's a really difficult line to tread.

Looking at it objectively, the American teams are all well branded. And lean into the nicknames (eagles, coults, cowboys, seahawks, chiefs, bengals etc) which gives them good iconography to work with.

US franchises can move (but not often), which I guess gives them less local provenance, so its more important that their brand is built on more than just the area they are located.

Where we are in a relatively strong position is that the 'Eagles' has mass appeal, will look good on clobber. vs teams like Everton, wouldn't be surprised if at some point they invent a replacement nickname (toffees isnt 'cool').

So I'd expect us to lean into that a little more as time goes on.
 
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