Farewell Eze?

Hrolf The Ganger said:
Good for you.

I'm not interested in the ambitions of players. I'm concerned about the lack of ambition at our club.

The club needs a new stadium and a lot more income. Our owners, despite their combined wealth, have failed to deliver a long term plan to make that happen.

Until we get serious, we will be losing world class players like Eze and Olise.
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So you want to block Eze going to Arsenal? Do you want to let his contract run down and Guehi’s contract run down? When we were not trading out as well as in it ended up in the Hodgson years with virtually no trading at all.

What do you actually want as a strategy? I have to ask this because football has always had a business element to it, well before now.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
Good point. Should have stayed at QPR. Why join Palace?
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I'm not sure why fans care about the ambition of players.

Eze is an asset. He has shown no loyalty to Palace. He is leaving when we are at our most successful.

I hope he is unsuccessful at Arsenal, because I don't support Arsenal. He gets the same level of loyalty from me as he has shown the club I support.

Making a big fuss because he continued to train properly is laughable. He is a paid employee.

Thanks Eze, but you are now the enemy. Give him a polite round of applause at Selhurst when he is wearing his new Arsenal shirt, and then hope he has a nightmare.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
So you want to block Eze going to Arsenal? Do you want to let his contract run down and Guehi’s contract run down? When we were not trading out as well as in it ended up in the Hodgson years with virtually no trading at all.

What do you actually want as a strategy? I have to ask this because football has always had a business element to it, well before now.
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You misundersand.
It is inevitable that we have to sell players who don't want to sign new contracts.
Parish is doing what he can in the current environment. It is the status of the club that needs to change.

Chelsea were an average club until it was owned by someone who wanted to win things. City were nowhere until it has the backing of real money. Spurs have increased their revenue three fold with their new stadium.
We are lucky to be where we are now as things stand. That is not where fans want to be, unless they like being miserable.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I'm not sure why fans care about the ambition of players.

Eze is an asset. He has shown no loyalty to Palace. He is leaving when we are at our most successful.

I hope he is unsuccessful at Arsenal, because I don't support Arsenal. He gets the same level of loyalty from me as he has shown the club I support.

Making a big fuss because he continued to train properly is laughable. He is a paid employee.

Thanks Eze, but you are now the enemy. Give him a polite round of applause at Selhurst when he is wearing his new Arsenal shirt, and then hope he has a nightmare.
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I would call Eze the competition. He is not the enemy lol. It is emotional, I get it, but things aren’t as simple as you’d like.

Eze has shown no loyalty to Palace? What are you talking about? He’s hardly done the dirty on us has he?

How long do you want him to stay? When he retires? To the point he’s not worth anything and we aren’t evolving the squad because of that?

I do agree that I owe no loyalty to Eze now but blimey. You want them to never leave. As someone pointed out, maybe Eze should never have left QPR and Olise Reading.
 
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Rudi Hedman said:
I would call Eze the competition. He is not the enemy lol. It is emotional, I get it, but things aren’t as simple as you’d like.

Eze has shown no loyalty to Palace? What are you talking about? He’s hardly done the dirty on us has he?

How long do you want him to stay? When he retires? To the pony he’s not worth anything and we aren’t evolving the squad because of that?

I do agree that I owe no loyalty to Eze now but blimey. You want them to never leave. As someone pointed out, maybe Eze should never have left QPR and Olise Reading.
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That is just a ridiculous attitude.

He was paid handsomely to play for the club and enjoyed the adulation of fans while doing it. We showed faith in him when he was languishing at QPR. He has buggered off to Arsenal when he got a better offer.

We had some great moments together, but like an ex girlfriend who left you for another bloke, it's thanks for the memory, no hard feelings begrudgingly, but don't expect to stay friends.
 
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Hrolf The Ganger said:
You misundersand.
It is inevitable that we have to sell players who don't want to sign new contracts.
Parish is doing what he can in the current environment. It is the status of the club that needs to change.

Chelsea were an average club until it was owned by someone who wanted to win things. City were nowhere until it has the backing of real money. Spurs have increased their revenue three fold with their new stadium.
We are lucky to be where we are now as things stand. That is not where fans want to be, unless they like being miserable.
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So your angst is either aimed at the Americans or frustrations we don’t have more ambitious owners or owners that are quicker with growth plans? If so, I would like that too, but I’m not into ‘sack the board’ type stuff. Until someone fancies us as his project we have to operate this way.

Spurs have increased their revenue with their impressive new stadium but the football ambitions are an absolute joke. Again, down to owners.
 
So many conflicting stories.
Eze wouldn't play at the weekend...he plays.
Palace and Eze agreed the Spurs move...now he's supposedly off to Arsenal.
Eze would play tonight....now he's supposedly not playing.
Eze wouldn't go until we had a replacement in the books....now he's supposed to be having a medical at Arsenal tomorrow morning with still no replacement in sight.
We're signing El Khanouss...no, make that Dibling...no, make that the Bruges winger...no make that Elliott etc.

I just hope it's not really as chaotic as it seems from the outside.

Roll on to the end of the window.... and look forward to January when it all starts again.
I find it all very irritating , and at the same time check what's happening every 5 minutes.
 
Rudi Hedman said:
So your angst is either aimed at the Americans or frustrations we don’t have more ambitious owners or owners that are quicker with growth plans? If so, I would like that too, but I’m not into ‘sack the board’ type stuff. Until someone fancies us as his project we have to operate this way.

Spurs have increased their revenue with their impressive new stadium but the football ambitions are an absolute joke. Again, down to owners.
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No one wants to sack anyone, but it would be good to show a lot more ambition rather than just paying lip service to it.
We have a good academy now, but that won't get us in the Champions League.
It costs a lot of money to go from 11th to 15th to top 8. The only way to achieve that is by making a lot more money as a club. I've said that 10 times today.
 
PatrickA said:
So many conflicting stories.
Eze wouldn't play at the weekend...he plays.
Palace and Eze agreed the Spurs move...now he's supposedly off to Arsenal.
Eze would play tonight....now he's supposedly not playing.
Eze wouldn't go until we had a replacement in the books....now he's supposed to be having a medical at Arsenal tomorrow morning with still no replacement in sight.
We're signing El Khanouss...no, make that Dibling...no, make that the Bruges winger...no make that Elliott etc.

I just hope it's not really as chaotic as it seems from the outside.

Roll on to the end of the window.... and look forward to January when it all starts again.
I find it all very irritating , and at the same time check what's happening every 5 minutes.
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😎 I know the feeling!!. With you all the way.
 
dreamwaverider said:
Which is???
Very few current investors in the premier other than the very savvy arabs at Man City and Newcastle will see any capital gain on their investments.
Most of them are here as Glory Seekers. They have made billions more than they will ever need and are parking it in places where they will be seen for what they are.....the super rich.
None of them have invested to turn a profit.....not even Saudi Arabia or Abu Dhabi. (In fact least of all them. It is however ironic that in both cases they are looking at substantial capital gains.)
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I think the investors at Newcastle and Man City are the glory seeking ones though in Man City’s case as you say they might realise a gain. Or to put it more realistically the sports washing ones. A lot of the others will view it as an investment primarily. Yes they have billions more than they need but that doesn’t stop them focussing on financial return. Although the US is different due to no relegation, salary caps etc the lesson is if the value of the league as a whole goes up so does the value of the teams within it. To be honest I think that is what our US investors are doing. They are using Palace as a means of effectively taking a share in the value of the EPL. Johnson at the Jets has run one of the most sportingly unsuccessful franchises in the US but his still seen his investment grow hugely in value.

Either way. Whether here for investment or not our shareholders aren’t going to spend lavishly (by EPL standards) on players or infrastructure so we have to get used to that.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I'm not sure why fans care about the ambition of players.

Eze is an asset. He has shown no loyalty to Palace. He is leaving when we are at our most successful.

I hope he is unsuccessful at Arsenal, because I don't support Arsenal. He gets the same level of loyalty from me as he has shown the club I support.

Making a big fuss because he continued to train properly is laughable. He is a paid employee.

Thanks Eze, but you are now the enemy. Give him a polite round of applause at Selhurst when he is wearing his new Arsenal shirt, and then hope he has a nightmare.
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Agree with all of this for 99% of players & you’ll see from my earlier posts I am very much anti the Management Team (above Glasner) after our massive regression from the FA Cup Final BUT I will caveat it that Eze is about the only player who is bigger than this deal.

Because he scored a winner in our first ever major trophy win, he will be talked about for decades. If it was literally any other player though, everything you said I agree with. Of course they should train (looking at you Isaak). I want a new job to, shall I just stop doing my current one and expect payment each month until I find a new job?
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
No one wants to sack anyone, but it would be good to show a lot more ambition rather than just paying lip service to it.
We have a good academy now, but that won't get us in the Champions League.
It costs a lot of money to go from 11th to 15th to top 8. The only way to achieve that is by making a lot more money as a club. I've said that 10 times today.
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It’s incredibly hard for a club out size to grow our income substantially. Yes we could build a new ground but that would be a ten year project and cost several hundred million. At the end of that there is absolutely no guarantee of success or return. We would struggle to diversify our income in the way Arsenal have. London is full of alternative big venues for things like concerts so we’d be competing for that and probably not successfully.

What we would have is years of even more constrained finances so less available for transfers, wages etc. that would make it even harder to succeed on the pitch. Both Spurs and Arsenal saw this when building their stadiums. No point having a big new stadium that is half full if got relegated.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
That is just a ridiculous attitude.

He was paid handsomely to play for the club and enjoyed the adulation of fans while doing it. We showed faith in him when he was languishing at QPR. He has buggered off to Arsenal when he got a better offer.

We had some great moments together, but like an ex girlfriend who left you for another bloke, it's thanks for the memory, no hard feelings begrudgingly, but don't expect to stay friends.
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Eze was languishing at QPR? He was improving at a good rate. He was named in the championship team of the year before we bought him.

I remember us knowing how good Eze and Olise were at the time and QPR rejected our first offer of £12 mil. It took £17 mil to buy him.

I don’t support players once they leave us but I understand they’re going to go and I expect they remain professional, we get good money for them and use the money well. Until perhaps our ownership changes this is how it is.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
I'm not sure why fans care about the ambition of players.

Eze is an asset. He has shown no loyalty to Palace. He is leaving when we are at our most successful.

I hope he is unsuccessful at Arsenal, because I don't support Arsenal. He gets the same level of loyalty from me as he has shown the club I support.

Making a big fuss because he continued to train properly is laughable. He is a paid employee.

Thanks Eze, but you are now the enemy. Give him a polite round of applause at Selhurst when he is wearing his new Arsenal shirt, and then hope he has a nightmare.
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But harsh on Eze. Played an integral part in winning the cup. Him leaving isn’t personal just a fact of life.
 
Hrolf The Ganger said:
No one wants to sack anyone, but it would be good to show a lot more ambition rather than just paying lip service to it.
We have a good academy now, but that won't get us in the Champions League.
It costs a lot of money to go from 11th to 15th to top 8. The only way to achieve that is by making a lot more money as a club. I've said that 10 times today.
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I think only new ownership is going to achieve this. These American owners aren’t going to do this at pace.
 
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