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Crimes don’t make determinations! People do.Determined by the crime in question. The reason drunk & disorderly cases aren't heard in Court No. 1 at the Old Bailey.
Crimes which by definition fall into one of the categories outlined.Crimes don’t make determinations! People do.
They do, but not if they are regarded as “serious”. That’s a matter of personal opinion. Some we would all agree are, just as others we would agree are trivial. It’s the grey area in the middle where opinions differ.Crimes which by definition fall into one of the categories outlined.
Then how do sentencing guidelines exist?They do, but not if they are regarded as “serious”. That’s a matter of personal opinion. Some we would all agree are, just as others we would agree are trivial. It’s the grey area in the middle where opinions differ.
That statistic highlights one of the biggest problems we face. Not being able to return people whose asylum application fails means people believe they will be able to stay whatever happens. We tried the Rwanda scheme, at huge cost, only to see it fail.Some cheery stats from BBC verify
A total of 154,354 people arrived on small boats between January 2018 and March 2025 and the vast majority - 94% - applied for asylum.
So far, the Home Office has made initial decisions in 86,646 of those cases, with 56,605 people granted asylum or another form of protection. That’s 65% of all cases considered so far.
But 19,696 people who arrived by small boat during that time had their application withdrawn, either by themselves or the Home Office, external. Factoring those in brings the approved rate to 53% - just over half.
By March 2025, 5,563 people - or 3.5% of those who have arrived on small boats since 2018 - had been returned. That figure includes both forced and voluntary returns.
Different issue.Then how do sentencing guidelines exist?
Each crime falls into one of three categories of comparative seriousness. No one is deciding littering is more serious than murder.Different issue.
Guidelines exist for categories of crime to ensure consistency. They don’t divide simply into two groups, serious and not serious.
That statistic highlights one of the biggest problems we face. Not being able to return people whose asylum application fails means people believe they will be able to stay whatever happens. We tried the Rwanda scheme, at huge cost, only to see it fail.
There ought to be a solution which involves their country of origin readmitting them but when you are undocumented which country is involved? It’s proved an intractable problem.
Stopping the transits at source looks like the only real answer.
A mattress on a floor shared with hundreds of others and no peace and quiet at night being stuck there is a good deterrent. We are seen as a soft touch, are too nice and kind and all it’s done is made this problem much much worse. We need to completely change this idea that it’s a positive because it isn’t whatsoever.Put them on a plane or boat, send them back. Their country must take them. We have lawyers in the way, the law needs changing but first we toughen up.
Also, put them in warehouses and barracks with the minimum. Process them there on site. It needs to be s*** to come here.
Also, 53% is ridiculous
Human rights and the ECHR been a problem for decades, and the foolish have just voted one in as PM. Since Trunp came to London I wish we had him or similar as PM. It would also shut up a lot of the useless idiot liberals as problems that have been ignored get sorted out.Until the lawyers and the laws are dealt with they will keep on coming.
So in reality none of this will happen.
The political class are in ivory towers, divorced from their populations and will end up becoming irrelevant at some point.
About 5 years ago there was an Extinction Rebellion protest at Canning Town tube station which didn't go too well since commuters waiting on the platform threw a few things at them then dragged them off the roof of the train.Until the lawyers and the laws are dealt with they will keep on coming.
So in reality none of this will happen.
The political class are in ivory towers, divorced from their populations and will end up becoming irrelevant at some point.
A DNA test would give a pretty accurate indication, given that most of them are interbred (and would also give a definite age identification for those that claim, wrongly, to be 'children') , but of course, as always, their human rights outclass our national rights to do this.That statistic highlights one of the biggest problems we face. Not being able to return people whose asylum application fails means people believe they will be able to stay whatever happens. We tried the Rwanda scheme, at huge cost, only to see it fail.
There ought to be a solution which involves their country of origin readmitting them but when you are undocumented which country is involved? It’s proved an intractable problem.
Stopping the transits at source looks like the only real answer.
They actually do age checks across African migrant routes with some bone test or something. Pretty accurate as well apparentlyA DNA test would give a pretty accurate indication, given that most of them are interbred (and would also give a definite age identification for those that claim, wrongly, to be 'children') , but of course, as always, their human rights outclass our national rights to do this.
These fruitcakes are only interested in ideological battles, of which they likely have a flimsy understanding.![]()
Hundreds of protesters march over alleged rape of girl in Nuneaton
A protest and counter-protest took place after an alleged cover-up of details about suspects charged over rape in Nuneaton.uk.yahoo.com
Meanwhile, counter-protesters hold up signs saying 'Stop the Far Right, Justice for Survivors and Victims'. What about the 12 year old girl who was allegedly raped by this filth? 🤬
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Rwanda scheme didn’t fail, it was never given a chance. As I have said before, that is exactly the type of deterrent we needed. Well done the left!That statistic highlights one of the biggest problems we face. Not being able to return people whose asylum application fails means people believe they will be able to stay whatever happens. We tried the Rwanda scheme, at huge cost, only to see it fail.
There ought to be a solution which involves their country of origin readmitting them but when you are undocumented which country is involved? It’s proved an intractable problem.
Stopping the transits at source looks like the only real answer.