Tommy Robinson

[georgenorman]

I never had the slightest expectation that you would accept it, or even comprehend why or how. Nothing I can do about that!

We all comprehend what you do.

 

[PalazioVecchio]

i would challenge all those who consider Tommy R to be an extremist. Please present us with a quote or a video clip where he says extremist stuff. Difficult to find, isnt it ?

whereas Abu Hamza and a ton of his minions.............? Seems to enjoy a ton of freedom of speech.

 

[Matov]

But can we agree he has a point and speaks the truth about rape gangs and a lack of want by hmg or councils to stop it.

The issue is not what he says. He is factually correct about almost all of it. The issue is more that status he enjoys.

Let's say he is geniune. Lets say he wants to head up an insurgency against what is happening. Then his behaviour directly contradicts that. He literally gives the authorities open goals. From the posting of that film to this refusal to hand over his pin-code to his phone, he is offering himself up on a plate. It stinks. It really does. And has done for a long, long time.

The powers-that-be are genuinely scared of the backlash that is happening. But they are also aware of the old adage that the best way to kill a snake is to lop its head off. Discredit those supposedly leading the insurgency and you put off a lot of people from following. Which is the role I see TR occupying.

The man is a coke-head, yob, with a false name, who literally puts himself in a position to be locked up, time and time again.

All I ask is for my fellow travellers on the Right to stand back and take a critical look at this man and what his game is.

 

[DanH]

But can we agree he has a point and speaks the truth about rape gangs and a lack of want by hmg or councils to stop it.
Lydon got laughed at for telling on saville !
TR is being slowly killed for speaking about rape gangs !
When they come you danh, when they come for you !!!

Sorry, who exactly is coming for me?

 

[Stirlingsays]

All I ask is for my fellow travellers on the Right to stand back and take a critical look at this man and what his game is.

And what's the end game to that?

Purity spiralling is for people in power. That's when you can be picky. When you have no power all that does is your opposition's work for them.

Look at who is supporting you on Robinson and ask yourself what his game is.

I have plenty of criticism of Robinson, some of which you mention. However, Robinson has the balls to be a martyr much more than anyone else I'm seeing. Who else has laid it on the line?

No one.

Without Robinson, far more people would have just nodded along to the lies the left and establishment have told about the rape of our girls. They kept it quiet for decades.....He was one of the only voices speaking up and being a problem.

Yeah, he can sniff the coke and make dodgy appeals as much as he likes.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

And what's the end game to that?

Purity spiralling is for people in power. That's when you can be picky. When you have no power all that does is your opposition's work for them.

Look at who is supporting you on Robinson and ask yourself what his game is.

I have plenty of criticism of Robinson, some of which you mention. However, Robinson has the balls to be a martyr much more than anyone else I'm seeing. Who else has laid it on the line?

No one.

Without Robinson, far more people would have just nodded along to the lies the left and establishment have told about the rape of our girls. They kept it quiet for decades.....He was one of the only voices speaking up and being a problem.

Yeah, he can sniff the coke and make dodgy appeals as much as he likes.

There is a huge difference between keeping things quiet that the public has a right to know and managing a very difficult situation in a way that doesn’t make things worse by inciting rebel rousers and alienating sections of society.

The problem with know it alls who actually have no responsibility, but just hold opinions on everything, is that their theories gain traction without ever being tested. Hence the rise of Reform and other right wing movements in Europe.

Where mistakes were made and lessons learned new approaches were adopted. That doesn’t mean the initial one was wrong, if it was a good faith attempt to establish a coherent strategy to deal with an emerging problem.

“Robinson”, and those who defend him, are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

 

[georgenorman]

There is a huge difference between keeping things quiet that the public has a right to know and managing a very difficult situation in a way that doesn’t make things worse by inciting rebel rousers and alienating sections of society.

The problem with know it alls who actually have no responsibility, but just hold opinions on everything, is that their theories gain traction without ever being tested. Hence the rise of Reform and other right wing movements in Europe.

Where mistakes were made and lessons learned new approaches were adopted. That doesn’t mean the initial one was wrong, if it was a good faith attempt to establish a coherent strategy to deal with an emerging problem.

“Robinson”, and those who defend him, are part of the problem and not part of the solution.

So turning a blind eye to paedophile rape gangs because they were mainly of Pakistani heritage and threatening whistle blowers with prosecution and dismissal from employment wasn't wrong! It is blatantly obvious who is wrong in this debate.

 

[cryrst]

Sorry, who exactly is coming for me?

Don’t worry danh your too young !

 

[Matov]

And what's the end game to that?

Purity spiralling is for people in power. That's when you can be picky. When you have no power all that does is your opposition's work for them.

Look at who is supporting you on Robinson and ask yourself what his game is.

I have plenty of criticism of Robinson, some of which you mention. However, Robinson has the balls to be a martyr much more than anyone else I'm seeing. Who else has laid it on the line?

No one.

Without Robinson, far more people would have just nodded along to the lies the left and establishment have told about the rape of our girls. They kept it quiet for decades.....He was one of the only voices speaking up and being a problem.

Yeah, he can sniff the coke and make dodgy appeals as much as he likes.

I understand, and am not without sympathy, too much of that. But I still see TR as being a hindrance rather than a help to what I believe we share as a wider cause. His actions do nothing other than cloud the optics and enable those on the Left to continue to be able to prod and poke.

One of the many reasons I now place very little faith in Reform, and by default Farage, was the way they quite literallly stabbed Robert Lowe in the back because there was a man who had clearly got his finger on the pulse of much of what we need to bring to the forefront of at least the electoral struggle.

I suspect the same people behind TR are the same ones pulling and prodding Farage as well but also concede I am come accross as being a tad tin-foil hatted on that (although still believing my instincts on this are far more right than they are wrong).

But as always, 'Deus Vult' in all of this.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

So turning a blind eye to paedophile rape gangs because they were mainly of Pakistani heritage and threatening whistle blowers with prosecution and dismissal from employment wasn't wrong! It is blatantly obvious who is wrong in this debate.

If any of that was true it would, of course, be wrong!

It isn’t though true. It’s just the presentation of events by those with a prejudice against those who actually held the responsibility.

 

[Stirlingsays]

I understand, and am not without sympathy, too much of that. But I still see TR as being a hindrance rather than a help to what I believe we share as a wider cause. His actions do nothing other than cloud the optics and enable those on the Left to continue to be able to prod and poke.

One of the many reasons I now place very little faith in Reform, and by default Farage, was the way they quite literallly stabbed Robert Lowe in the back because there was a man who had clearly got his finger on the pulse of much of what we need to bring to the forefront of at least the electoral struggle.

I suspect the same people behind TR are the same ones pulling and prodding Farage as well but also concede I am come accross as being a tad tin-foil hatted on that (although still believing my instincts on this are far more right than they are wrong).

But as always, 'Deus Vult' in all of this.

Well I kind of agree.

Both Farage and Robinson aren't our guys....it's true.

Their projects and worldview don't work, the former being a Thatcherite, which are solutions to a bygone era....and the latter is an anti lslamic civic nationalist, who's ideas would basically create an internal civil war at a time where social liberals hold power here and in Europe.....At the moment they are running the risk of martyring him.

But while neither of these are our guys, they are seen as such and thus represent the biggest foes to the real enemies of Europe.

Just as Trump isn't our guy but it's fun watching the insanity of the reaction towards him.

Yep, I'm a Rupert and Ben guy but that's for the future, in the meantime I'm watching the establishment (liberals) continue to worsen pretty much everything while never understanding that they were the problem all along.

 

[georgenorman]

If any of that was true it would, of course, be wrong!

It isn’t though true. It’s just the presentation of events by those with a prejudice against those who actually held the responsibility.

Of course it is true, you know it is, everyone knows it is – you simply present laughable denials in your usual fashion.
Jayne Senior, a youth worker in Rotherham, reported what was going on to five different chief executive officers at the council, the magistrates, the elected members, the leader of the council, all the South Yorkshire chief constables over that period and all their assistants, police inspectors, the Home Office and Ofsted. She followed all the mandatory reporting guidelines yet nothing happened, the abuse continued unabated, nothing whatsoever was done to stop it – quite the opposite, it was aided and abetted by Jayne been threatened, that if she didn’t shut up, she would be charged with making “vexatious complaints” which could lead to imprisonment.
Meanwhile, many of the paedophile rapists of mainly Pakistani heritage who were belatedly imprisoned are back on the streets. Did you put out the Flag of the Star and Crescent in diverse Cornwall in celebration when they were released?

 

[PalazioVecchio]

I'm watching the establishment (liberals) continue to worsen pretty much everything while never understanding that they were the problem all along.

"When you throw money at poor people, you are not alleviating the problem of poverty. You are merely creating more extra poor people, further on down the line" Michael Portillo said something along these lines. And i agree with him.

Bradford, London Luton, Newham, Stoke on Trent.

You must train the poor fella to catch fish rather than feeding him handouts.

We desperately need a cap to the duration of time people can spend living on benefits. I would say 18 months and then its a short, sharp, shock........ cut off the dole , offer dormitory accommodation and work-programmes. It is totally unacceptable that some skivers are living better than the working-poor.

The levels of car-ownership are higher in many longterm dole estates than many wealthy commuter suburbs of London. So who are the mugs ? paying all those taxes and getting squashed onto a commuter train every morning ? While some other people are still in bed ?

 

[Stirlingsays]

"When you throw money at poor people, you are not alleviating the problem of poverty. You are merely creating more extra poor people, further on down the line" Michael Portillo said something along these lines. And i agree with him.

Bradford, London Luton, Newham, Stoke on Trent.

You must train the poor fella to catch fish rather than feeding him handouts.

We desperately need a cap to the duration of time people can spend living on benefits. I would say 18 months and then its a short, sharp, shock........ cut off the dole , offer dormitory accommodation and work-programmes. It is totally unacceptable that some skivers are living better than the working-poor.

The levels of car-ownership are higher in many longterm dole estates than many wealthy commuter suburbs of London. So who are the mugs ? paying all those taxes and getting squashed onto a commuter train every morning ? While some other people are still in bed ?

I was talking more socially than economically but then again there's some truth in what you say as well.

When you look at the way the west runs its economies and at where the spending breaks down you come to the conclusion that they are welfare economies. The state makes up for a large part of the spending.

Welfare is taxed or borrowed and to those who receive it, mostly free money, whether it's a state pension which is more than seven years old (on average an entire lifetime's contributions is used up after seven years) or dole money or even disability.

So with an aging population how do you pay for that?

Growth.....it's growth or bust baby.

So bust then.....which no one official is willing to say because they are all self interested careerists.

When that bust comes it won't be pretty and you will possibly get what you wish for indirectly....at least for a while.

Anyway the neoliberals....of which Portillo is an example, thought that you could get that growth via importing immigration into the county (even though it's a ponzi scheme....that even if it worked made the problem worse later on). Now at least in Portillo's case that immigration was mostly capped at the skilled type.....Since Blair, we have had mostly low skilled third world immigration because the neoliberal is ultimately a slave to the big business and housing lobbies (even though that creates larger problems).

I'm not a neoliberal and so I don't even go with Portillo's model.....but that's beyond the scope of this reply.

However, I don't like the sound of your model either as essentially it's going back to the Victorian work houses and I'm not a social darwinist.....which is the subtext of what Portillo is saying.....I mean in counter to what Portillo is saying, the rich caused far more poverty in 2008 yet most received socialism in the form of bale-outs to keep them employed and wealthy.....Money is thrown at markets every day and this is a kind of unearned socialism as well. At least the poor didn't screw the whole western economy.

We can point at skivers but if you create the jobs that can afford the cost of living then that number will always reduce.....Creating the working poor is madness....but that's what these clowns have done. My grandfather was a stoker and could afford a nice house with a wife who didn't have to work......The leaders have basically fecked the economy, by replacing jobs that people could do and live a life (my same grandfather went to Palace every home game) and replaced those jobs with jobs with low wages and all without taking accountability.

I've said it many times but I think Japan has the best model.....visitor work permits, no or very little naturalisation....strong global trade links and a tech economy. Automation and robots are how you deal with an ageing population and that's already happening.

But the neoliberal class have already straddled our nation with massive internal problems that Japan won't have to deal with.....horrible short sighted ideological choices that have and will cause discord for decades....Some of us will see it a lot of us won't see the end of it.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Where does the real blame lie?

 

[DanH]

Don’t worry danh your too young !

So at nearly 40, when will I be old enough with enough life experience to be as wise as you old sages on here?

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Of course it is true, you know it is, everyone knows it is – you simply present laughable denials in your usual fashion.
Jayne Senior, a youth worker in Rotherham, reported what was going on to five different chief executive officers at the council, the magistrates, the elected members, the leader of the council, all the South Yorkshire chief constables over that period and all their assistants, police inspectors, the Home Office and Ofsted. She followed all the mandatory reporting guidelines yet nothing happened, the abuse continued unabated, nothing whatsoever was done to stop it – quite the opposite, it was aided and abetted by Jayne been threatened, that if she didn’t shut up, she would be charged with making “vexatious complaints” which could lead to imprisonment.
Meanwhile, many of the paedophile rapists of mainly Pakistani heritage who were belatedly imprisoned are back on the streets. Did you put out the Flag of the Star and Crescent in diverse Cornwall in celebration when they were released?

Many people were aware of the issue, so the fact that any individual reported it is irrelevant in the wider context. It’s not the awareness that matters, it’s how you respond.

This is no different to suggesting that if we had installed Glasner 3 years ago and adopted 3 at the back and wing backs we would have been European champions this year instead of just being FA cup winners.

Unless you actually have to decide policy you will never know what works or learn anything.

 

[Spiderman]

So at nearly 40, when will I be old enough with enough life experience to be as wise as you old sages on here?

I think you may have missed the point with the post. If I am correct it had nothing to do with your life experiences, it was a reference that you may not be old enough to remember/comprehend.

 

[georgenorman]

Many people were aware of the issue, so the fact that any individual reported it is irrelevant in the wider context. It’s not the awareness that matters, it’s how you respond.

This is no different to suggesting that if we had installed Glasner 3 years ago and adopted 3 at the back and wing backs we would have been European champions this year instead of just being FA cup winners.

Unless you actually have to decide policy you will never know what works or learn anything.

That must be the daftest comment you have ever posted and the bar is so high - many congratulations.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

That must be the daftest comment you have ever posted and the bar is so high - many congratulations.

I suggest you take rather more than 3 minutes to consider the points made before responding with yet another ad hominem.