US Politics

[Wisbech Eagle]

Pam Bondi recently announced that the FBI has in its possession over 10 thousand videos of Epstein and the victims he was abusing.

The implication he is that the Democrats, had these videos and did nothing about it. We know the FBI took these videos after raids at Epstein's abodes but they held onto them all the way through.....No list being published and no charges or convictions brought against anyone other than Maxwell.

How much evidence has been destroyed and by whom?

What's going to come out here?

Is it going to take the Republicans to get some kind of real justice here and to show just how evil the Democrats actually are?......As Musk said, 'the appearance of good, while doing evil'.

I would think it much more likely that any evidence destruction is going on now and not in the past. You would need to ask the FBI why no other prosecutions have taken place but never forget they had the information throughout Trump’s first term too.

 

[Badger11]

Trump talking about suspending Habeas Corpus for illegal immigrants. I get that the ambulance chasing lawyers abuse the system with endless appeals but I think that is a step too far.

There has to be a better way of of achieving the goal of deporting whilst ensuring a measure of justice for those it involved.

My own preference for the UK would be to refuse any appeals for immigrants who changed their grounds for appeal after losing.

For instance someone claims asylum for political persecution they then change the their country of origin or the reason for claiming asylum. The only appeals I would allow would relate to the original claim e.g. the person was unable to prove their case initially but later obtained evidence that backed it up.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Trump talking about suspending Habeas Corpus for illegal immigrants. I get that the ambulance chasing lawyers abuse the system with endless appeals but I think that is a step too far.

There has to be a better way of of achieving the goal of deporting whilst ensuring a measure of justice for those it involved.

My own preference for the UK would be to refuse any appeals for immigrants who changed their grounds for appeal after losing.

For instance someone claims asylum for political persecution they then change the their country of origin or the reason for claiming asylum. The only appeals I would allow would relate to the original claim e.g. the person was unable to prove their case initially but later obtained evidence that backed it up.

I disagree with you on this.

It's an example of how the right lose.....the whole, 'we will behave properly, regardless of what the left deliberately do otherwise'.

This is the situation Trump finds himself in after the Democrat's deliberate plan of importing future voters for them.

The most reliable estimates suggest 6 million to 10 million illegal immigrants entered the U.S. during the Biden administration, based on CBP’s 10.8 million encounters (adjusted for recidivism and removals) plus 2 million gotaways.

I say.....You enter illegally? Then if we know you did, you are out straight away....As fast as you entered you are out.

What you are suggesting would limit Trump to......If he went full throttle but legal to about 2 million in 4 years, that's significantly under half of those Biden allowed in....Now the highest deportations ever was done under Obama and that was 3 million over eight years.

Nice guys lose.

If you have the luxury of losing that's fine....Someone like Reagan had that luxury when he gave California to the Democrats by legalising immigrants there and that led to the state turning blue ever since.

Trump doesn't have that luxury.......If Biden gets to keep what he did at the border then you're going to essentially get a one party state once the Democrats get back in with both houses and legalise them.

 

[DanH]

I disagree with you on this.

It's an example of how the right lose.....the whole, 'we will behave properly, regardless of what the left deliberately do otherwise'.

This is the situation Trump finds himself in after the Democrat's deliberate plan of importing future voters for them.

The most reliable estimates suggest 6 million to 10 million illegal immigrants entered the U.S. during the Biden administration, based on CBP’s 10.8 million encounters (adjusted for recidivism and removals) plus 2 million gotaways.

I say.....You enter illegally? Then if we know you did, you are out straight away....As fast as you entered you are out.

What you are suggesting would limit Trump to......If he went full throttle but legal to about 2 million in 4 years, that's significantly under half of those Biden allowed in....Now the highest deportations ever was done under Obama and that was 3 million over eight years.

Nice guys lose.

If you have the luxury of losing that's fine....Someone like Reagan had that luxury when he gave California to the Democrats by legalising immigrants there and that led to the state turning blue ever since.

Trump doesn't have that luxury.......If Biden gets to keep what he did at the border then you're going to essentially get a one party state once the Democrats get back in with both houses and legalise them.

Always makes me smile when it’s the right who the ones who are supposed to be all about law and order, and then happy to break any law that doesn’t suit them or prevents them carrying out their agenda. And call any judge applying any law they don’t like an ‘activist’.

It’s not law and order you want really, is it? It’s authoritarianism against anyone you deem not to be on your side isn’t it?

 

[Stirlingsays]

Always makes me smile when it’s the right who the ones who are supposed to be all about law and order, and then happy to break any law that doesn’t suit them or prevents them carrying out their agenda. And call any judge applying any law they don’t like an ‘activist’.

It’s not law and order you want really, is it? It’s authoritarianism against anyone you deem not to be on your side isn’t it?

No, I clearly stated why what needs to happen....needs to happen.

It's a specific response to a unprecedented illegal behaviour from the far left progressives to create a voting base for a one party state.....So you accusing me of wanting authoritarianism is hilarious.

Once all the illegals are kicked out, then perhaps they can go back to the normal state of affairs.

However, for America a rubicon may already have been passed, because of what Biden did.

It never needed to happen, but they did it.....and what I've been predicting for many years on this very site maybe within a decade of happening.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

I disagree with you on this.

It's an example of how the right lose.....the whole, 'we will behave properly, regardless of what the left deliberately do otherwise'.

This is the situation Trump finds himself in after the Democrat's deliberate plan of importing future voters for them.

The most reliable estimates suggest 6 million to 10 million illegal immigrants entered the U.S. during the Biden administration, based on CBP’s 10.8 million encounters (adjusted for recidivism and removals) plus 2 million gotaways.

I say.....You enter illegally? Then if we know you did, you are out straight away....As fast as you entered you are out.

What you are suggesting would limit Trump to......If he went full throttle but legal to about 2 million in 4 years, that's significantly under half of those Biden allowed in....Now the highest deportations ever was done under Obama and that was 3 million over eight years.

Nice guys lose.

If you have the luxury of losing that's fine....Someone like Reagan had that luxury when he gave California to the Democrats by legalising immigrants there and that led to the state turning blue ever since.

Trump doesn't have that luxury.......If Biden gets to keep what he did at the border then you're going to essentially get a one party state once the Democrats get back in with both houses and legalise them.

Where, apart from your completely obvious prejudice, is the evidence for this assertion?

That, and the rest of this post, are right up there for the bs post of the year award.

Let’s though reserve judgement and see how the claim can be substantiated.

 

[DanH]

No, I clearly stated why what needs to happen....needs to happen.

It's a specific response to a unprecedented illegal behaviour from the far left progressives to create a voting base for a one party state.....So you accusing me of wanting authoritarianism is hilarious.

Once all the illegals are kicked out, then perhaps they can go back to the normal state of affairs.

However, for America a rubicon may already have been passed, because of what Biden did.

It never needed to happen, but they did it.....and what I've been predicting for many years on this very site maybe within a decade of happening.

Some of the nonsense you swallow on your right wing American websites you frequent is absolutely wild.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Some of the nonsense you swallow on your right wing American websites you frequent is absolutely wild.

What right wing American websites?

When I first spoke about this on here about 7 years ago as the direction of travel, I heard much the same. However, in America itself there are now huge numbers saying that they think conflict is inevitable....even on the left.

The distance between left and right in America is orders of magnitude larger than say back in Reagan's day and what Biden did on immigration.....I would say, accelerated the chances of conflict significantly as did trying to jail Trump.

When it comes to a transition of power now, I'm not sure that the Republicans can trust the Democrats again on immigration, legalising them and on trying to jail their leaders again.

I think you are ignoring the tensions and very real hatreds in America personally.

 

[DanH]

When I first spoke about this on here about 7 years ago as the direction of travel, I heard much the same. However, in America itself there are now huge numbers saying that they think conflict is inevitable....even on the left.

The distance between left and right in America is orders of magnitude larger than say back in Reagan's day and what Biden did on immigration.....I would say, accelerated the chances of conflict significantly as did trying to jail Trump.

When it comes to a transition of power now, I'm not sure that the Republicans trust can trust the Democrats again on immigration and on trying to jail their leaders.

I think you are ignoring the tensions and very real hatreds in America personally.

When was the last time you went to America?

 

[Stirlingsays]

When was the last time you went to America?

Never been.

 

[DanH]

Never been.

So everything you ‘know’ about America is what you ‘hear’ on the internet?

OK then.

 

[georgenorman]

When was the last time you went to America?

When was the last time you went to a communist country (apart from London)?

 

[cryrst]

So everything you ‘know’ about America is what you ‘hear’ on the internet?

OK then.

Or it may be some have friends or family living there so could be what they ‘hear’ on the phone that lets them ‘know’ how it is.
Although most of our knowledge on things we discuss is what we have read or heard tbh. It just depends who you listen to or which internet sites you use for said knowledge. I’m sure none of us have done or been everything we discuss.

 

[DanH]

When was the last time you went to a communist country (apart from London)?

Morning George. Any other completely irrelevant questions to ask or just that one?

 

[DanH]

Or it may be some have friends or family living there so could be what they ‘hear’ on the phone that lets them ‘know’ how it is.
Although most of our knowledge on things we discuss is what we have read or heard tbh. It just depends who you listen to or which internet sites you use for said knowledge. I’m sure none of us have done or been everything we discuss.

Well I’m all ears to what personal connections he does have to the country he’s so confidently predicting secession for.

 

[Badger11]

I disagree with you on this.

It's an example of how the right lose.....the whole, 'we will behave properly, regardless of what the left deliberately do otherwise'.

This is the situation Trump finds himself in after the Democrat's deliberate plan of importing future voters for them.

The most reliable estimates suggest 6 million to 10 million illegal immigrants entered the U.S. during the Biden administration, based on CBP’s 10.8 million encounters (adjusted for recidivism and removals) plus 2 million gotaways.

I say.....You enter illegally? Then if we know you did, you are out straight away....As fast as you entered you are out.

What you are suggesting would limit Trump to......If he went full throttle but legal to about 2 million in 4 years, that's significantly under half of those Biden allowed in....Now the highest deportations ever was done under Obama and that was 3 million over eight years.

Nice guys lose.

If you have the luxury of losing that's fine....Someone like Reagan had that luxury when he gave California to the Democrats by legalising immigrants there and that led to the state turning blue ever since.

Trump doesn't have that luxury.......If Biden gets to keep what he did at the border then you're going to essentially get a one party state once the Democrats get back in with both houses and legalise them.

Yeah I get your point. However Habeas Corpus is the bedrock of any democracy. The US has suspended it before as have we but it's never a good idea.

There has to be a better legal way to tackle the problem. During WW2 the Americans interned thousands of American Japanese without justification but left equivalent Germans, Italians etc. on the streets, that was shameful.

 

[Eaglehamster]

So let’s get this right. Illegal immigrants are being shipped in, by the Democrats, in their thousands, for their votes.

Yeah right. You know it’s true, you can just imagine Trump saying it.

WTF

 

[DanH]

So let’s get this right. Illegal immigrants are being shipped in, by the Democrats, in their thousands, for their votes.

Yeah right. You know it’s true, you can just imagine Trump saying it.

WTF

It’s amazing some of the far-fetched utter b*llocks they all swallow isn’t it?

 

[Eaglehamster]

Blame the immigrants, without them we'd be great again!

Blame the hundreds of countries who've been ripping us off in trade for decades.

AIUI most of the illegals come from Central America, where just about every country has been exploited to the hilt by .... you guessed it the good ol' USA. Who installed tin pot dictators who towed the US line. Now they're hell holes who satisfy the insatiable demand for drugs to .... yep the USA.

Trump blames their horrendous trade inbalance on every country who sell them imports. The USA simply doesn't match this with their exports - so it's other countries' fault isn't it.

Tariffs will encourage industry to move back into the US and reignite the US. Who TF would want to locate to what is fast becoming the world's largest banana republic?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

So everything you ‘know’ about America is what you ‘hear’ on the internet?

OK then.

Bit of a sticky wicket here Dan since the Trumpian opinions of posters who live in America are regularly dismissed. Apparently distance adds perspective.