Russell Brand

On the jury I served on this year, the victim went to the police a week (not 17 years) after the incident, but her friend had encouraged her to go to a SARC within 24 hours of the incident.

The defendant had never denied there was intercourse but the SARC logged injuries that added gravitas to her claim. It wasn't the only factor but it definitely helped her account.

The accused was found guilty by the way, a verdict that's quite often hard to get in this type of case.

If there were injuries and thus physical evidence it should most definitely be recorded officially.

Still not comforrtable with the idea that all of a sudden not making a complaint at the time is regarded as of no consequence.

In my opinion it is extremely important and unless we are talking about under age or geniunely vulnerable people in situations where there is the threat of violence......then I can see how this system can be abused and allow for innocent men's lives to be destroyed out of spite or other insane behaviour.

Incentive structures create opportunities for both good and not so good people.
 
What like let them get away with their crimes you mean? Big fat no from me.
Although Russell Banned has recently found Jesus and hoping to be forgiven for his heinous crimes, we now all know he would analy rape Mary if he got the chance.

If a crime is committed then it should be reported straight away not 20 years later when a journalist is comming looking for a story.

I am still of the opinion if a certain amount of time has passed then it should be civil court cases like brands especially for a he said she said format.

And don't forget he was found innocent of the other rape accusations. Should those women be punished?
 
I can’t stand Russell Brand and think he’s an arrogant and obnoxious ****

The fact he has been found guilty though is unsettling for me and raises many questions and concerns.

The allegations could be true but also totally made up.

17-20 years ago, not reported to police, no evidence only he said / she said. This trial and the convictions make very little sense to me.
 
I can’t stand Russell Brand and think he’s an arrogant and obnoxious ****

The fact he has been found guilty though is unsettling for me and raises many questions and concerns.

The allegations could be true but also totally made up.

17-20 years ago, not reported to police, no evidence only he said / she said. This trial and the convictions make very little sense to me.
As I doubt you were in court each day, you wouldn't of heard the evidence presented Justice has taken place and he was convicted by 12 people who dont know each other or him, on the evidence.
 
Just reading through this thread I have spotted a lot of innaccuracies and contradictions to what I have read surrounding Russell Brand and this case, I have followed this case in great detail so I thought it is probably worth me trying to set the record straight, hopefully.

There wasn't "no evidence", this is false. It's also not just 6 women who have come out against Russell Brand, there is more, the 6 women are just the ones that have had their cases taken to court. It's also important to note that 12 different jurors all unanimously convicted him on the evidence given. 12 jurors and not even one had any objections that would result in a mistrial. You cannot convict anyone on NO EVIDENCE, that's not how this works, there is always evidence and Russell Brand had bundles of evidence against him.


The prosecution's case against Russell Brand was built primarily on the testimony of the four women he was convicted of assaulting, supported by witnesses, text messages, historical records and evidence about his behaviour at the time.

It wasn't a case based on DNA or CCTV. The alleged offences dated back to 2004–2009, so investigators had to reconstruct events many years later.

Here is what the jury heard.
1. The rape conviction – 2009
A woman who had met Brand after one of his comedy performances at the Hammersmith Apollo said:
- She went back to his home with him.
- They initially had consensual sexual contact.
- She said he subsequently raped her anally without a condom.
- She later confronted him about what had happened.
Important evidence: She subsequently exchanged text messages with Brand. In one message, he responded, "I'm sorry".

The prosecution relied on her account and the messages as evidence supporting her allegation.
Reuters+1

2. Sexual assault – MTV employee, 2004
A woman working for MTV said Brand:
- Groped her breasts at a party in a Soho bar.
- Subsequently took her into a toilet and forced her to perform oral sex.
The jury convicted him of the groping but acquitted him of the alleged rape in the toilet.
3. Sexual assault – radio employee, 2004/2005
A woman working at Choice FM said Brand encountered her in a corridor at the Capital Radio building.

She told the court that he:
- Pushed her against a wall.
- Kissed her.
- Grabbed and painfully groped her.
The jury convicted him of this sexual assault.
4. Sexual assault – Channel 4 employee, 2009
A woman working on a Channel 4 project said she had been required to give Brand a massage.

She described him thrusting his head into her groin during the incident.

The jury convicted him of sexual assault.


5. What other evidence did prosecutors use?
There was also a substantial amount of supporting investigative material:
- More than 100 witnesses interviewed.
- Over 400 witness statements collected.
- More than 1,400 documents examined.
- Historical photographs and floor plans of locations connected to the allegations.
- Brand's books, interviews, stand-up performances, television appearances and podcasts were examined.
- Statements from people who knew him and could provide evidence about his behaviour and the circumstances surrounding the allegations.
His 2007 autobiography and comments about his sexual behaviour also featured in the prosecution's wider presentation of his conduct.
Metropolitan Police+1

6. Did he admit anything?
Brand admitted in court that:
- He had been extremely promiscuous.
- He had been obsessed with sex.
- He had used his celebrity status to facilitate sexual access to women.
However, he maintained that all sexual encounters were consensual and denied committing the offences.
The important distinction
The prosecution did not have forensic proof or CCTV footage of the alleged offences. Its case relied heavily on the women's accounts and the supporting evidence gathered around them.

The jury considered the evidence and convicted him on four counts, while acquitting him on three others.

That distinction matters: the convictions were decisions made by the jury on the evidence presented, not simply a finding that he had behaved promiscuously or inappropriately.

You can read the official prosecution account here:

 
Brand knew it was coming. A cool and calculated movement of assets has already happened
 

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If a crime is committed then it should be reported straight away not 20 years later when a journalist is comming looking for a story.

I am still of the opinion if a certain amount of time has passed then it should be civil court cases like brands especially for a he said she said format.

And don't forget he was found innocent of the other rape accusations. Should those women be punished?

Why would the victims of sexual assaults be punished?

Not guilty does not mean innocent.
 
Not guilty is still not guilty especially after a jury hears the evidence. False accusations wreck lives too and accountability should go both ways.

So you think the women he’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting should be punished, because they also alleged he raped them but couldn’t prove it..? I just want to make sure I’m getting your point.

Do you apply this logic anywhere else? If someone is convicted of manslaughter but murder can’t be proved, should someone be punished for alleging murder? Maybe one of the victim’s family, since the victim themselves isn’t around anymore.


Again, just to be clear not guilty does not mean innocent - in the year ending March 25, 2.8% of recorded rape offences resulted in a charge - do you think that means all of the other 97.2% are all making false allegations and deserve punishment?
 
So you think the women he’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting should be punished, because they also alleged he raped them but couldn’t provide it..? I just want to make sure I’m getting your point.

Do you apply this logic anywhere else? If someone is convicted of manslaughter but murder can’t be proved, should someone be punished for alleging murder? Maybe one of the victim’s family, since the victim themselves isn’t around anymore.


Again, just to be clear not guilty does not mean innocent - in the year ending March 25, 2.8% of recorded rape offences resulted in a charge - do you think that means all of the other 97.2% are all making false allegations and deserve punishment?

If you were accused of raping a woman (or guy) and then it proceeded to destroy your life but then eventually found not guilty. How would you react?
 
So you think the women he’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting should be punished, because they also alleged he raped them but couldn’t prove it..? I just want to make sure I’m getting your point.

Do you apply this logic anywhere else? If someone is convicted of manslaughter but murder can’t be proved, should someone be punished for alleging murder? Maybe one of the victim’s family, since the victim themselves isn’t around anymore.


Again, just to be clear not guilty does not mean innocent - in the year ending March 25, 2.8% of recorded rape offences resulted in a charge - do you think that means all of the other 97.2% are all making false allegations and deserve punishment?

Also not what I said.
 
So you think the women he’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting should be punished, because they also alleged he raped them but couldn’t prove it..? I just want to make sure I’m getting your point.

Do you apply this logic anywhere else? If someone is convicted of manslaughter but murder can’t be proved, should someone be punished for alleging murder? Maybe one of the victim’s family, since the victim themselves isn’t around anymore.


Again, just to be clear not guilty does not mean innocent - in the year ending March 25, 2.8% of recorded rape offences resulted in a charge - do you think that means all of the other 97.2% are all making false allegations and deserve punishment?
The two charges aren't comparable since one is invariably based on the accusation of the victim(s) while the other results from an investigation gathering evidence.
In a case involving an allegation of sexual assault how can the accused "prove" his innocence?
 
If you were accused of raping a woman (or guy) and then it proceeded to destroy your life but then eventually found not guilty. How would you react?

Feel free to answer my questions before expecting the same in return.

For balance, I think genuinely fictitious allegations, particularly if proved to be made maliciously, should result in a punishment for the accuser, but I think there are far less of these cases than people like to pretend.

I also think it’s clearly not applicable here as these are women he’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting… but you seem to be suggesting they should be punished for that. Strange take.
 
Feel free to answer my questions before expecting the same in return.

For balance, I think genuinely fictitious allegations, particularly if proved to be made maliciously, should result in a punishment for the accuser, but I think there are far less of these cases than people like to pretend.

I also think it’s clearly not applicable here as these are women he’s been found guilty of sexually assaulting… but you seem to be suggesting they should be punished for that. Strange take.

I told you it's not what I said. And to be honest you have a history of putting words in my mouth that I didint say so I'm not arsed entertaining you.
 
The two charges aren't comparable since one is invariably based on the accusation of the victim(s) while the other results from an investigation gathering evidence.
In a case involving an allegation of sexual assault how can the accused "prove" his innocence?

This is true of all convictions - the availability and quality of evidence will of course vary, but the idea that rape convictions are handed out based on accusations alone is completely untrue.
 
I told you it's not what I said. And to be honest you have a history of putting words in my mouth that I didint say so I'm not arsed entertaining you.

Feel free to correct my understanding of your position - you seemed to me to be suggesting that sexual assault victims should be punished if they can’t prove they were also raped.
 

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