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silvertop said:
This kind of centrist left is generally good; and populist right is generally bad.

Complex and evolving solutions for complex problems versus simplistic and usually ill thought through policies made up on the hoof that look "tough" etc.

(See comment on why increasing employment and housing protection for migrants will actually reduce migration and why the populist right will nevertheless fight it tooth and nail).

Populism is bad. Right is not bad. Sensible right of centre free market led policies are generally the best, but no party currently has them on offer.

I am not sure why you would ask the question: do I want them stopped? Of course. They are generally unskilled products of a developing world education system and we don't need them. We have enough of that already.

However, we need immigrants. They add much needed labour in a critically diminishing labour market.

But not on boats. Legal, skilled migrants from e.g. the Baltic states will fill the gaps that emigration and aging are creating.
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Thanks for taking the time to reply in a sensible manner
 
georgenorman said:
Just stop helping them in any way whatsoever, the boats would stop coming within a few days.
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Indeed, the system created by both the 'sensible left' and the 'sensible right' have created the incentives and I'd go as far as saying have deliberately created the situation for this third world migrant invasion.....It's been going on since Blair and has radically changed the country already.

It's not an accident.....The British public have been outright lied to and I won't state what I think should be the longer term consequences once investigated.

Also, I'd answer that the idea that we only let in 'high skilled European' labour is all well and good, but the reality is that the whole European continent is competing for that skill base. Countries like Poland have been heavily invested in and a lot of 'sensible immigration' is also looking at countries with good social cohesion that are safe.....Not countries producing Henry Nowak situations, where both the system and the products of immigration are against them.

No, it's automation or bust in my view....Immigration should be expressly on the 'guest worker' model unless that individual is highly sought after and bringing in family members to sit on the benefit system.....that should be the exception, rather than the current rule.

As I stated, people like Wisbech coming on here and talking about idleness is all well and good, but he should also be spreading that message at his local Islamic community centre because their rates of idleness exceed our own.....And we imported those people into the country and I never read one line from him complaining about it.
 
If somebody is trying to enter your country illegally, then you round them up and imprison them, in as harshest ways you can. Especially if they have no ID. The assumption has to be they are here to harm the country. The Rwanda plan would have solved the problem.

But the system does not want to 'solve' the problem. The system HATES you. It has finally found a way to punish us for Brexit. And be under no-illusions, this is what this is all about. Those judges, those civil servants, those politicians who could stop this all tomorrow, have zero interest. They want to replace you with a people who have no sense of roots or belonging.

I bear no malice to the people coming over on those boats. The entirety of my ire is aimed at the national institutions who allow this to happen. Go as far as they can to openly encourage it. They are my enemy. They are the ones who want to dissipate my people to the point that we become the citizens of nowhere.

The British State, as it exists at the moment, is the problem.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I think that’s completely untrue. However I wanted to double check so I asked AI. This was the response:-

“While antisemitism is a severe and rising form of prejudice in the UK, official data shows it is not "by far the most prevalent" overall hate crime or form of hatred. Racially motivated offenses make up the vast majority of all recorded hate crimes in England and Wales, and anti-Muslim offenses account for a larger total number of religious hate crime”.

Too many people are conflating opposition to the present Israeli government with anti semitism. They are not the same at all. Nor has it anything to do with left leaning politics.

Hope not Hate openly attack the far right and racism. People like Yaxley-Lennon and Reform are legitimate targets to have lights shone onto and into. There’s nothing left wing about it. I am myself on the centre right and have no more time for far left politics than I do for the far right. I just don’t though see any threats from the far left. I do from the far right, so I support Hope not Hate.
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Here is Google AI - not sure what question you asked...anti-semitism almost 10 times the rate of anti-muslim.
Jewish people experience a significantly higher rate of hate crimes per head of population than Muslims in the UK, though Muslims experience a higher absolute number of total incidents. [1]
According to official Home Office Hate Crime Statistics, the per capita breakdown of religious hate crimes per 10,000 members of each population is as follows: [1, 2]
  • Jewish Population: 106 hate crimes per 10,000 people.
  • Muslim Population: 12 hate crimes per 10,000 people. [1]
My own addition - it is also notable that there have been a series of anti-semitic terror attacks (ie aimed at mass-murder) in the past 18 months, but not against muslims.
 
Living In Hope said:
Here is Google AI - not sure what question you asked...anti-semitism almost 10 times the rate of anti-muslim.
Jewish people experience a significantly higher rate of hate crimes per head of population than Muslims in the UK, though Muslims experience a higher absolute number of total incidents. [1]
According to official Home Office Hate Crime Statistics, the per capita breakdown of religious hate crimes per 10,000 members of each population is as follows: [1, 2]
  • Jewish Population: 106 hate crimes per 10,000 people.
  • Muslim Population: 12 hate crimes per 10,000 people. [1]
My own addition - it is also notable that there have been a series of anti-semitic terror attacks (ie aimed at mass-murder) in the past 18 months, but not against muslims.
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correct. I respect the Jews for their high IQ, low crime levels and hard-working culture. Its embarrassing for me to come from an overtly AntiSemitic nation. It takes great bravery for Jews to wear traditional garb in the streets. So hats off to them.

 
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silvertop said:
Obviously so.

Likewise, Rwanda was some pie in the sky concept some numpty voiced around a think tank and then somebody higher up unwisely blurted it out. The level of competence one expects from that sh1t show of a government. However, it then caused a whole cabinet to double down behind it until they inevitably got voted out.

Everybody knew it was an unworkable shambles of a concept that would have this country paying big with next to no impact on illegal immigration.

Attack the criminal facilitators and the black economy that attracts them. They are, at least, policies we have some control over.
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Eureka! Why didn't anyone else think of this?

SMASH THE GANGS!!!
 
Stirlingsays said:
Indeed, the system created by both the 'sensible left' and the 'sensible right' have created the incentives and I'd go as far as saying have deliberately created the situation for this third world migrant invasion.....It's been going on since Blair and has radically changed the country already.

It's not an accident.....The British public have been outright lied to and I won't state what I think should be the longer term consequences once investigated.

Also, I'd answer that the idea that we only let in 'high skilled European' labour is all well and good, but the reality is that the whole European continent is competing for that skill base. Countries like Poland have been heavily invested in and a lot of 'sensible immigration' is also looking at countries with good social cohesion that are safe.....Not countries producing Henry Nowak situations, where both the system and the products of immigration are against them.

No, it's automation or bust in my view....Immigration should be expressly on the 'guest worker' model unless that individual is highly sought after and bringing in family members to sit on the benefit system.....that should be the exception, rather than the current rule.

As I stated, people like Wisbech coming on here and talking about idleness is all well and good, but he should also be spreading that message at his local Islamic community centre because their rates of idleness exceed our own.....And we imported those people into the country and I never read one line from him complaining about it.
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I see no such thing at the local Muslim community centre! Those attending have nice cars, are exceptionally polite and respectful. On one occasion, when passing as a funeral was anticipated, I engaged the Iman in charge in conversation as he was outside, directing the traffic so the hearse could enter. He was super friendly and helpful.

Maybe it's different "up country", but not here.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I see no such thing at the local Muslim community centre! Those attending have nice cars, are exceptionally polite and respectful. On one occasion, when passing as a funeral was anticipated, I engaged the Iman in charge in conversation as he was outside, directing the traffic so the hearse could enter. He was super friendly and helpful.

Maybe it's different "up country", but not here.
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That's alright then. By the same token farmers in London don't have any complaints.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I see no such thing at the local Muslim community centre! Those attending have nice cars, are exceptionally polite and respectful. On one occasion, when passing as a funeral was anticipated, I engaged the Iman in charge in conversation as he was outside, directing the traffic so the hearse could enter. He was super friendly and helpful.

Maybe it's different "up country", but not here.
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You are the Jason Arday of Cornwall.

Whilst I don't believe you, hypothetically why you would disturb someone who was directing traffic?

Did you explain to him the parts of the religion of Islam and the Qu'ran in particular that in your opinion are wrong?

Now, the Islamic Centre is in the middle of the countryside, how did you happen to be walking past?

www.google.com

Карти на Google

Најдете локални бизниси, погледнете карти и најдете насоки за возење на „Карти на Google“.
www.google.com www.google.com

Or perhaps you were driving and you wound down your window to have a chat

You mention " those attending", so you have engaged with several attendees, was this the same funeral day or one of your other visits.?

Full of it you are

Did you see this chap, oddly a ginger

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Spiderman said:
It really is t though, is it? My daughter works in the Space industry as does her husband, are you suggesting that they could give up their jobs and move to Cornwall to look for employment? If you hadn’t noticed the job market is somewhat different today than the 60s.
Try getting transferred if you work in the Civil Service.
By the way Truro is a City, time to move?
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There are space industry jobs here, based at Newquay airport, but such specialists need to be prepared to go where the work is.

It will always depend on your priorities. If they are on a one path career then they must accept limitations on where they live. If living somewhere is the priority then they must accept limitations on how they can earn a living.

Their choice.
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
There are space industry jobs here, based at Newquay airport, but such specialists need to be prepared to go where the work is.

It will always depend on your priorities. If they are on a one path career then they must accept limitations on where they live. If living somewhere is the priority then they must accept limitations on how they can earn a living.

Their choice.
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Like Cornish farmers. Why don't they just move somewhere else?
 
Wisbech Eagle said:
I see no such thing at the local Muslim community centre! Those attending have nice cars, are exceptionally polite and respectful. On one occasion, when passing as a funeral was anticipated, I engaged the Iman in charge in conversation as he was outside, directing the traffic so the hearse could enter. He was super friendly and helpful.

Maybe it's different "up country", but not here.
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What a fake you are.

Also, you completely ignore statistics to give a meaningless story.

Go down to this 'centre' and give them the same message you present on here.

Statistically it's truer for them.
 
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