Israel v Hamas

CPFCSaturn said:
Hilarious that Team Genocide present mine as the indoctrinated position, despite it being the view held by the vast majority and supported by almost of the evidence.

Their minority held view propped up by the flimsiest of Israeli propaganda is of course the objective take 😂
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"Vast majority"? Just because you can't stop mouthing off the same shite doesn't make it a majority. Your claim is laughable.
 
eaglesdare said:
".....committed to fostering a safe, welcoming and inclusive space for our community."

Then next line:

"....current or former members of the IOF are not welcome at Rewild and will not be permitted to participate in the festival"

Country is full of hypocrisy and anti semitism.
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It's the liberal way. Even when they have ex terrorist jihadists making statements in interviews what is going to happen to them once they've used them to destroy and weaken us all they still pipe on. I guess they feel loyalty because of all the hundreds of millions the Qataris have pumped into the western 'education' systems. If that's not pigshit thick and dug in I'll never know, fancy fighting for Islamification.

Still no thread about Saudi's on Yemen
Still no thread about Pakistan on Afghanistan
Still no thread about Iranian sponsored mass murder in Sudan

No mention, ever.
 
eaglesdare said:
".....committed to fostering a safe, welcoming and inclusive space for our community."

Then next line:

"....current or former members of the IOF are not welcome at Rewild and will not be permitted to participate in the festival"

Country is full of hypocrisy and anti semitism.
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I wouldn't feel safe with members of the genocidal IDF around me. I might end up as collateral damage when Bob Vylan takes to the stage 🙂
 
Spindle said:
"Vast majority"? Just because you can't stop mouthing off the same shite doesn't make it a majority. Your claim is laughable.
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You're so bad at this.

  • YouGov (July 2026):
    • 50% of Britons said they believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
    • 17% said they do not believe it is.
    • The remainder were unsure or declined to answer.
  • YouGov (2025):
    • 62% opposed Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
    • 13% supported those military actions.
  • YouGov tracking (October 2025):
    • 57% of Britons said Israel's continued military operations in Gaza were not justified.
    • Only 18% considered them justified.
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You're so bad at this.

  • YouGov (July 2026):
    • 50% of Britons said they believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
    • 17% said they do not believe it is.
    • The remainder were unsure or declined to answer.
  • YouGov (2025):
    • 62% opposed Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
    • 13% supported those military actions.
  • YouGov tracking (October 2025):
    • 57% of Britons said Israel's continued military operations in Gaza were not justified.
    • Only 18% considered them justified.
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The poll respondents only had the media to inform them of what was going on.

99.9% of Britons have not lived in constant fear of having Hamas missiles rain down on them.

A poll is a poll, not a legal judgement.
 
HKOwen said:
The poll respondents only had the media to inform them of what was going on.

99.9% of Britons have not lived in constant fear of having Hamas missiles rain down on them.

A poll is a poll, not a legal judgement.
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Irrelevant - my claim was that the vast majority of people oppose what Israel is doing, which I've proved.

Why they oppose it is irrelevant to the claim, so you can speculate away on that. (it's because most people aren't thick/dishonest enough to swallow the Israeli propaganda that you and the rest of TG do btw).
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Irrelevant - my claim was that the vast majority of people oppose what Israel is doing, which I've proved.

Why they oppose it is irrelevant to the claim, so you can speculate away on that. (it's because most people aren't thick/dishonest enough to swallow the Israeli propaganda that you and the rest of TG do btw).
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But you are to swallow the Hamas propaganda? You know an actual defined terrorist organisation....
 
CPFCSaturn said:
You're so bad at this.

  • YouGov (July 2026):
    • 50% of Britons said they believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
    • 17% said they do not believe it is.
    • The remainder were unsure or declined to answer.
  • YouGov (2025):
    • 62% opposed Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
    • 13% supported those military actions.
  • YouGov tracking (October 2025):
    • 57% of Britons said Israel's continued military operations in Gaza were not justified.
    • Only 18% considered them justified.
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The poll commissioned by this charity?

New poll findings: British public opinion on Israeli military actions

These findings come as Israel’s genocide in Gaza continues despite the so-called ceasefire agreement, enacted through its blocking of critical aid entry and continued bombardment, with more than 800 Palestinians killed in military attacks since the ‘ceasefire’ agreement.
www.map.org.uk www.map.org.uk

Their opening paragraph:

These findings* come as Israel’s genocide in Gaza continues despite the so-called ceasefire agreement, enacted through its blocking of critical aid entry and continued bombardment, with more than 800 Palestinians killed in military attacks since the ‘ceasefire’ agreement.

I asked if surveys commissioned by charities on YouGov are biased:

Surveys commissioned by charities on YouGov are not inherently biased, but the results can be framed in a biased way.

While YouGov ensures its sampling and weighting processes are objective and neutral, the commissioning charity controls the questionnaire design, question phrasing, and the final data release.

Potential areas of bias and distortion include:

Leading Question Phrasing: Charities may use deliberately worded questions that frame an issue or their specific cause in an overwhelmingly positive or negative light.

Selective Reporting: Charities often only publish data points that align with their campaign goals or fundraising narratives, omitting nuanced or contradictory findings from the same survey.

Issue Framing: Questions may be designed to exaggerate the severity of an issue in order to build urgency for a public appeal or justify an advocacy campaign.

To quote yourself, 'you're so bad at this'
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Irrelevant - my claim was that the vast majority of people oppose what Israel is doing, which I've proved.

Why they oppose it is irrelevant to the claim, so you can speculate away on that. (it's because most people aren't thick/dishonest enough to swallow the Israeli propaganda that you and the rest of TG do btw).
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50% is not a vast majority on the poll question of genocide.

The charity that commissioned the poll relies on Hamas to be allowed in Gaza.

Poll may as well have been commissioned by Hamas.

Most polls have very slanted questions to get a desired outcome.

The classic " when did you stop beating your wife " trick

Would be interesting to see the poll questions
 
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CPFCSaturn said:
You're so bad at this.

  • YouGov (July 2026):
    • 50% of Britons said they believe Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.
    • 17% said they do not believe it is.
    • The remainder were unsure or declined to answer.
  • YouGov (2025):
    • 62% opposed Israel's ongoing military actions in Gaza and the West Bank.
    • 13% supported those military actions.
  • YouGov tracking (October 2025):
    • 57% of Britons said Israel's continued military operations in Gaza were not justified.
    • Only 18% considered them justified.
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78% of Gazans supported the Oct 7 attacks.

Thanks for the confirmation

Were these polls taken at a university?
 
Foxy82 said:
The poll commissioned by this charity?

New poll findings: British public opinion on Israeli military actions

These findings come as Israel’s genocide in Gaza continues despite the so-called ceasefire agreement, enacted through its blocking of critical aid entry and continued bombardment, with more than 800 Palestinians killed in military attacks since the ‘ceasefire’ agreement.
www.map.org.uk www.map.org.uk

Their opening paragraph:

These findings* come as Israel’s genocide in Gaza continues despite the so-called ceasefire agreement, enacted through its blocking of critical aid entry and continued bombardment, with more than 800 Palestinians killed in military attacks since the ‘ceasefire’ agreement.

I asked if surveys commissioned by charities on YouGov are biased:

Surveys commissioned by charities on YouGov are not inherently biased, but the results can be framed in a biased way.

While YouGov ensures its sampling and weighting processes are objective and neutral, the commissioning charity controls the questionnaire design, question phrasing, and the final data release.

Potential areas of bias and distortion include:

Leading Question Phrasing: Charities may use deliberately worded questions that frame an issue or their specific cause in an overwhelmingly positive or negative light.

Selective Reporting: Charities often only publish data points that align with their campaign goals or fundraising narratives, omitting nuanced or contradictory findings from the same survey.

Issue Framing: Questions may be designed to exaggerate the severity of an issue in order to build urgency for a public appeal or justify an advocacy campaign.

To quote yourself, 'you're so bad at this'
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Do you think this AI guff is a good argument?

Can you highlight what with the question phrasing, or indeed the final detail release, of the surveys I shared that you feel could be considered biased? What are the leading questions?

Pointing out that bias can sometimes exist is not an argument - you have to specifically identify bias in what you're critiquing.

I'd also try quoting with quote marks next time - clue is in the name 👍
 
CPFCSaturn said:
Irrelevant - my claim was that the vast majority of people oppose what Israel is doing, which I've proved.
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Do the vast majority of marriages end in divorce and the vast majority of women instigate divorce.

According to your definition, they do, you awful misogynist
 
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