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[georgenorman]

From the Spectator.

 

[silvertop]

From the Spectator.
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Upfront costs big.

That's the cost of switching.

Massive infrastructure investment.

The cost has to be passed on.

Ironically not enough is renewable. Our energy costs are still tied to fossil fuel.

In time the infrastructure will be set and all paid and the energy costs will be fixed to renewals and comparable to fossil fuel dependent countries now.

Trouble is fossil fuel stocks will be running low prices will rocket accordingly and those dependent nations will be far too late to switch.

Ever wondered why eye wateringly rich nations that practically float on oil are investing heavily in renewals?

Btw don't just read and believe articles planted by the fossil fuel business.

 

[georgenorman]

Upfront costs big.

That's the cost of switching.

Massive infrastructure investment.

The cost has to be passed on.

Ironically not enough is renewable. Our energy costs are still tied to fossil fuel.

In time the infrastructure will be set and all paid and the energy costs will be fixed to renewals and comparable to fossil fuel dependent countries now.

Trouble is fossil fuel stocks will be running low prices will rocket accordingly and those dependent nations will be far too late to switch.

Ever wondered why eye wateringly rich nations that practically float on oil are investing heavily in renewals?

Btw don't just read and believe articles planted by the fossil fuel business.

So these figures are lies? The Spectator is a lacky of the fossil fuel business? We do not have one of the highest energy costs in the world? Our efforts are saving the planet? It's all ok because there's jam tomorrow?
Btw don't just read and believe articles planted by the climate change business.

 

[Wisbech Eagle]

Tips hat.



The EU is not democratic in any real sense of the word that the common man on the street would agree with.....δημοκρατία, the Ancient Greek word is where democracy comes from....literal meaning: 'rule by the people' or 'people-power', which in the modern sense is populism....the very thing you appear to detest.

Populism is NOT democratic “people power” and to suggest it is ignorant misrepresentation. Populism is promising to do things that are thought to be popular in order to achieve power, whilst knowing that they are unachieveable. That’s much more likely to result in authoritarianism than democracy. Democracy being a fig leaf for the ambitions of those wealthy backers proposing populist policies.

Democracy is simply the rule of the people by the people. Which can take many forms. The EU model being one, through delegated institutions.

The EU is about institutions and satisfying what they think, whether populations agree or not.

Its chief decision makers can't be elected nor disbanded by the people.....Not democratic in any real sense.......It's centralised power above the national and should be opposed by any democrat....at least in its ability to over-ride national interest.

The populations must ultimately always agree or they will dismantle the institutions. Of course there is always blowback whenever politicians do their jobs, which is not to deliver what the people want but to deliver what they need. Our function, as voters, is to decide who we want to determine what we need. There is no centralised power. There is only delegated responsibility.

I call nonsense on your rationalisation and put it to you that....like here....you were there to troll and irritate, because that appears to be what you like.....Taking advantage of people with a better moral compass than you with a higher degree of freedom of speech than the left.


And trolling them.

I think it's a hobby you have.

BS. I was attending a Catholic church with my wife and involved with the community. As an ex active member of a Protestant church much was familiar but there were things, habits and beliefs, that made no sense. So I sought explanations. There were many discussions on the absolutist attitudes to things. Abortion being the most obvious. There was a gay guy there, devoutly Catholic but very conflicted and given a bad time by some participants. It was very Old Testament at times. Not a lot of love.

Thus is life.



Disagree, it's obviously political.

I am not surprised. You would think that!

Sachs is far more experienced and is someone on the left I respect because he is a pragmatist......The decline in pragmatism in the west has significantly damaged us both economically and socially.

Sachs speaks out about that and as I sense it comes from a genuine desire to improve the west in a real sense.....not in the utopian (which leads to a pile of skulls) which is the direction of travel....I respect him. I would agree with some of his criticisms of Trump as well.

On this we find agreement. Sachs is definitely worth listening to. He bridges the divides rather than deepens them. As he has the ear of many powerful men he has a role to play in today’s dangerous world. I wouldn’t though describe him as “on the left”! Pragmatist is more accurate.

 

[chris123]

So these figures are lies? The Spectator is a lacky of the fossil fuel business? We do not have one of the highest energy costs in the world? Our efforts are saving the planet? It's all ok because there's jam tomorrow?
Btw don't just read and believe articles planted by the climate change business.

I'd be interested to know if geothermal counts as renewable or just wind and solar. The US is definitely a geothermal player.

And that schedule looks like it's from the department of energy

 

[georgenorman]

Democracy is simply the rule of the people by the people. Which can take many forms. The EU model being one, through delegated institutions.

'Rule of the people' is essentially the ability of the population to elect those who make the laws that govern them.
Unelected EU Commissioners are the only body in the EU that have the power to propose, frame and enforce laws and draft and manage the EU budget.
The elected MEPs cannot propose or draft EU law or be involved in budgetary matters.
The EU is about as democratic as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

 

[chris123]

If you're interested in the argument about solar and wind being expensive, unreliable and dangerous, Kathryn Porter is worth checking out.

 

[silvertop]

So these figures are lies? The Spectator is a lacky of the fossil fuel business? We do not have one of the highest energy costs in the world? Our efforts are saving the planet? It's all ok because there's jam tomorrow?
Btw don't just read and believe articles planted by the climate change business.

Where did I say that?

The figures are probably true but the story beneath it false as it depicts a snapshot mid transition but appears to assert that fossil fuel dependency will always be cheaper.

Fossil fuel is doing nothing different to Big Pharma and Tobacco in terms of propping up the climate change denial movement for its personal profit.

Thus in the US they have garnered support of the Christian Right by claiming a God given right to exploit oil reserves based on Genesis and our dominion of the earth. An argument that ignores the custodian care elements of dominion and the small fact that, in Christian belief, solar wind and tides are also of His Creation.

It isn't mad conspiracy. They are doing it.

 

[georgenorman]

Where did I say that?

The figures are probably true but the story beneath it false as it depicts a snapshot mid transition but appears to assert that fossil fuel dependency will always be cheaper.

Fossil fuel is doing nothing different to Big Pharma and Tobacco in terms of propping up the climate change denial movement for its personal profit.

Thus in the US they have garnered support of the Christian Right by claiming a God given right to exploit oil reserves based on Genesis and our dominion of the earth. An argument that ignores the custodian care elements of dominion and the small fact that, in Christian belief, solar wind and tides are also of His Creation.

It isn't mad conspiracy. They are doing it.

The Spectator gleaned the figures from the government's own website for such matters - so is the Labour government part of this Big Business/Religious conspiracy?

Statistics at DESNZ

We publish data and statistics on emissions, energy sources, prices and efficiency, fuel poverty, and public attitudes towards energy policy.

www.gov.uk

 

[Glazier#1]

Where did I say that?

The figures are probably true but the story beneath it false as it depicts a snapshot mid transition but appears to assert that fossil fuel dependency will always be cheaper.

Fossil fuel is doing nothing different to Big Pharma and Tobacco in terms of propping up the climate change denial movement for its personal profit.

Thus in the US they have garnered support of the Christian Right by claiming a God given right to exploit oil reserves based on Genesis and our dominion of the earth. An argument that ignores the custodian care elements of dominion and the small fact that, in Christian belief, solar wind and tides are also of His Creation.

It isn't mad conspiracy. They are doing it.

Strongly behind Project 25, too, with Exxon Mobil backing that Heritage Foundation document. Promoting fossil fuel continuance, of course. Profit uber alles.

 

[cryrst]

If you're interested in the argument about solar and wind being expensive, unreliable and dangerous, Kathryn Porter is worth checking out.

Is she a would ?

 

[Teddy Eagle]

Is she a would ?

Depends. How do you feel about Marilyn Manson?

 

[chris123]

Is she a would ?

She knows her stuff and clearly no time for Miliband, she's also the one who pointed out that direct current renewables don't enter our grid. Also electricity is only 20% of our energy consumption, and maybe just as bad the decision makers don't understand the engineering.

 

[silvertop]

The Spectator gleaned the figures from the government's own website for such matters - so is the Labour government part of this Big Business/Religious conspiracy?

Statistics at DESNZ

We publish data and statistics on emissions, energy sources, prices and efficiency, fuel poverty, and public attitudes towards energy policy.

www.gov.uk

Oh lordy. Please read my message properly before you comment! You are responding to what you think I have written not what I have actually said.

 

[georgenorman]

Oh lordy. Please read my message properly before you comment! You are responding to what you think I have written not what I have actually said.

If you accept that the figures are accurate, that's something I suppose.

 

[chris123]

If you accept that the figures are accurate, that's something I suppose.

Eds numbers might need a little distance given other posts upthread

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

The USA, seemngly ruled by a tiny rogue state Israel, has no actual friends left, wheeling out the 'special relationship' to which I submit the general public does not currently approve of and certainly never been asked.

To see them wriggling and writhing in avoidance of their war crimes guilt is quite an education.

Do I want a relationship with sick people who de-capitate religious leaders and their families, bomb innocent citizens going about their daily life, destroy schoolchildren's lives I can't remember anything so bad.

You can shove the USA where the sun doesn't shine.

😎

Says the Communist.

 

[beak]

If you're interested in the argument about solar and wind being expensive, unreliable and dangerous, Kathryn Porter is worth checking out.

Just hot air.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Where did I say that?

The figures are probably true but the story beneath it false as it depicts a snapshot mid transition but appears to assert that fossil fuel dependency will always be cheaper.

Fossil fuel is doing nothing different to Big Pharma and Tobacco in terms of propping up the climate change denial movement for its personal profit.

Thus in the US they have garnered support of the Christian Right by claiming a God given right to exploit oil reserves based on Genesis and our dominion of the earth. An argument that ignores the custodian care elements of dominion and the small fact that, in Christian belief, solar wind and tides are also of His Creation.

It isn't mad conspiracy. They are doing it.

You seem a little obsessed with the 'Christian Right' and certainly seem to over estimate their power policy wise.

Christianity, by the way, isn't required to claim a 'god given right' to anything. All societies take exactly what they want whether they use religion as a basis or not. Stalin and Pot didn't need religion did they, so I find this continual reference back to the 'Christian Right' a bit pointless and perhaps some personal animus you have.

Also you haven't criticised the fact that it's the working classes more than anyone else paying for switching to renewals.....which there was never a popular demand for......and I notice you didn't mention nuclear.

Nuclear blows renewable's out of the water in terms of reliability, regardless of the pun.

It's about money as the driving factor seemingly more than actual need, who pays and who profits.....what matters is the policy not the bunch of words someone uses to justify a policy. Nuclear should have been the top focus as it was in France, but wasn't and we are paying the cost of the failure of British elites.....who seemingly get to retire and live nice lives despite making terrible decisions.

 

[Stirlingsays]

Strongly behind Project 25, too, with Exxon Mobil backing that Heritage Foundation document. Promoting fossil fuel continuance, of course. Profit uber alles.

Regardless of the form of energy some feck is going to be making profit matey and it won't be you and me.

Fossil fuel is extremely important in many different ways for some time to come. What are you going to fill your car up with?

Laughing gas?