Glasner Out

[MrRobbo]

There are two strands to the Guehi transfer thread.

The first was Parish's decision to let him join Liverpool late on the last day of the summer transfer window. No replacement had been lined up unless you accept that a Brighton reserve centre back that subsequently failed to secure a place in a poor West Ham defence was a viable solution.

The second was also a question of timing. Glasner had prepared his team for the Sunderland game to include Guehi. Only after that preparation was complete was he told Guehi wouldn't be available to him as he was signing for City a couple of days later.

I'm not being a Glasner apologist here, and I don't condone his behaviour. But I can understand his frustration. Especially in the first scenario.

I don't know how Guehi would have reacted if he hadn't been allowed to leave in January. But I do think he would still have secured a move to a top club this summer if he had stayed.

So we sold him for £20m. That's less than we paid for the underperforming, injury prone Nketiah. It's substantially less than we paid for the anonymous Brennan Johnson.

Put in that context, I would have held Guehi to his contract, foregoing the £20m, and not signed Johnson.

From what I heard Igor wasn't the direct replacement, Pavlović was. Igor was simply there to ease the transition as someone who knew the league. When Pavlović fell through MG to pool, and Igor to us were simultaneously pulled.

Liverpool putting the deal sheet in etc was nothing short of game playing. They and MG had been told the deal was off much earlier in the day. Hence whey SP got so much flack for getting spotted doing a gym class in the last hours of the window.

 

[Eaglecoops]

There are two strands to the Guehi transfer thread.

The first was Parish's decision to let him join Liverpool late on the last day of the summer transfer window. No replacement had been lined up unless you accept that a Brighton reserve centre back that subsequently failed to secure a place in a poor West Ham defence was a viable solution.

The second was also a question of timing. Glasner had prepared his team for the Sunderland game to include Guehi. Only after that preparation was complete was he told Guehi wouldn't be available to him as he was signing for City a couple of days later.

I'm not being a Glasner apologist here, and I don't condone his behaviour. But I can understand his frustration. Especially in the first scenario.

I don't know how Guehi would have reacted if he hadn't been allowed to leave in January. But I do think he would still have secured a move to a top club this summer if he had stayed.

So we sold him for £20m. That's less than we paid for the underperforming, injury prone Nketiah. It's substantially less than we paid for the anonymous Brennan Johnson.

Put in that context, I would have held Guehi to his contract, foregoing the £20m, and not signed Johnson.

There should be no context between the signings of Nketiah and Johnson and the sale of Guehi as they are completely unrelated.

You have chosen two particularly poor signings to illustrate your point but you could equally have used the Muñoz purchase as an example of how to spend money well, we could have bought two Daniel Munoz for the same money we got for Guehi and Munoz has certainly been as influential as Guehi was.

The point is the purchase of other players has absolutely nothing to do with the sale of Guehi.

I am as surprised as anyone that the money brought in for Guehi was not spent on a like for like player however we are not privy to the order of importance placed by the club on other positions requiring attention.

I am totally with Parish on this one, that selling Guehi for as much as we could get was the right thing to do.

We wouldn’t be any further into the Conference ko than we already are and probably wouldn’t be much higher up the league with Guehi so the only possible reason for temporarily keeping Guehi would have been to keep Glasner happy who had already announced he was leaving anyway.

 

[JHB]

This feels like serious revisionism to me.

The feeling following the failed bids in the summer was that we'd committed to losing him on a free the following year. Having turned down £35m in the summer, it was far from obvious that we'd get a more acceptable offer in the January.

Maybe if we were talking about September or October 2025 but by the time we entered the January window it was everywhere that he was likely to be sold.

 

[CrazyBadger]

i think the MG situation was exaggerated by Glasner, mainly due to his frustration over the summer transfer window.
Firstly, he said before the Macc game the players would get 3 days off so they would only have come back on the Wednesday to prepare for the Saturday game.
It was reported MG was signing for Man City on the Thursday so there was still time to react.
As has been mentioned players drop out regularly, sometimes hours before kick off, and a manager needs to react.

I think ultimately his frustrations (mainly justified IMHO) were that Palace had 2 years to get a MG replacement in and other than a young, inexperienced 19 year old, Palace failed to do so. Perhaps in SP's defence getting a like for like replacement was never possible.
Ultimately no one comes out of it with any credit.

I don't think his frustrations were justified at all.
We bought Riad in as the Guehi replacement, who promptly got injured. that's bad luck (or at worst bad scouting/medical), then due to that brought Canvot in. Granted an 'inexperienced' 19yr old isn't going to immediately replace him. but we did try to get Guehi's successor in in that 2 years, within the remit of our scouting strategy. He should have known this, and it's his job to manage it.

Guehi was always going to leave, he deserves to be playing Europe every year, and we weren't going to be able to deliver that, not yet, anyhow. It's the reality of PL football. Perhaps OGs frustration were borne from this reality - that 'minnows like us' can't realistically challenge the big boys, certainly not on an ongoing basis and certainly not all-of-a-sudden, the finances simply don't allow it.

He's obviously a ambitious manager, and he saw a good position all come crashing down around him. His reaction to this was telling. I've no doubt that his reputation has been damaged and the clubs that may have been all over him in the summer are now looking elsewhere. He has to rebuild his reputation if he want's to get that move now. And that's probably not with us.

 

[Eagle One]

I don't think his frustrations were justified at all.
We bought Riad in as the Guehi replacement, who promptly got injured. that's bad luck (or at worst bad scouting/medical), then due to that brought Canvot in. Granted an 'inexperienced' 19yr old isn't going to immediately replace him. but we did try to get Guehi's successor in in that 2 years, within the remit of our scouting strategy. He should have known this, and it's his job to manage it.

Guehi was always going to leave, he deserves to be playing Europe every year, and we weren't going to be able to deliver that, not yet, anyhow. It's the reality of PL football. Perhaps OGs frustration were borne from this reality - that 'minnows like us' can't realistically challenge the big boys, certainly not on an ongoing basis and certainly not all-of-a-sudden, the finances simply don't allow it.

He's obviously a ambitious manager, and he saw a good position all come crashing down around him. His reaction to this was telling. I've no doubt that his reputation has been damaged and the clubs that may have been all over him in the summer are now looking elsewhere. He has to rebuild his reputation if he want's to get that move now. And that's probably not with us.

Agree with this. Whilst I think he had every right to moan about a crazy lack of depth in the squad they way he did it it looked obvious he was angling to get sacked and paid off, which badly backfired and damaged his stock. I think it unlikely he will get a big job, maybe with the exception of Spurs whatever division they end up in.

 

[NEILLO]

There should be no context between the signings of Nketiah and Johnson and the sale of Guehi as they are completely unrelated.

You have chosen two particularly poor signings to illustrate your point but you could equally have used the Muñoz purchase as an example of how to spend money well, we could have bought two Daniel Munoz for the same money we got for Guehi and Munoz has certainly been as influential as Guehi was.

The point is the purchase of other players has absolutely nothing to do with the sale of Guehi.

I am as surprised as anyone that the money brought in for Guehi was not spent on a like for like player however we are not privy to the order of importance placed by the club on other positions requiring attention.

I am totally with Parish on this one, that selling Guehi for as much as we could get was the right thing to do.

We wouldn’t be any further into the Conference ko than we already are and probably wouldn’t be much higher up the league with Guehi so the only possible reason for temporarily keeping Guehi would have been to keep Glasner happy who had already announced he was leaving anyway.

You’ve missed my point - maybe that’s down to the way that I expressed it.

I think the team was stronger with Guehi in it. Nothing to do with keeping Glasner happy.

I used Nketiah and Johnson as examples of how much you can spend in the transfer market without getting value for money . I think forgoing the £20m and retaining Guehi would have been better value.

 

[NEILLO]

From what I heard Igor wasn't the direct replacement, Pavlović was. Igor was simply there to ease the transition as someone who knew the league. When Pavlović fell through MG to pool, and Igor to us were simultaneously pulled.

Liverpool putting the deal sheet in etc was nothing short of game playing. They and MG had been told the deal was off much earlier in the day. Hence whey SP got so much flack for getting spotted doing a gym class in the last hours of the window.

I’ve got to say that’s the first I’ve heard of parts of that .

 

[Badger11]

From what I heard Igor wasn't the direct replacement, Pavlović was. Igor was simply there to ease the transition as someone who knew the league. When Pavlović fell through MG to pool, and Igor to us were simultaneously pulled.

Liverpool putting the deal sheet in etc was nothing short of game playing. They and MG had been told the deal was off much earlier in the day. Hence whey SP got so much flack for getting spotted doing a gym class in the last hours of the window.

That was my take whatever really happened, buy the time Parish got to the gym it was a dead deal.

 

[est1905]

Intelligent among us. Is that the ones who agree with you ?

Exactly, you're catching on. Slowly but you're getting there.

 

[ASCPFC]

That was my take whatever really happened, buy the time Parish got to the gym it was a dead deal.

Bloody David Lloyd. Has a lot to answer for.

 

[est1905]

There are two strands to the Guehi transfer thread.

The first was Parish's decision to let him join Liverpool late on the last day of the summer transfer window. No replacement had been lined up unless you accept that a Brighton reserve centre back that subsequently failed to secure a place in a poor West Ham defence was a viable solution.

The second was also a question of timing. Glasner had prepared his team for the Sunderland game to include Guehi. Only after that preparation was complete was he told Guehi wouldn't be available to him as he was signing for City a couple of days later.

I'm not being a Glasner apologist here, and I don't condone his behaviour. But I can understand his frustration. Especially in the first scenario.

I don't know how Guehi would have reacted if he hadn't been allowed to leave in January. But I do think he would still have secured a move to a top club this summer if he had stayed.

So we sold him for £20m. That's less than we paid for the underperforming, injury prone Nketiah. It's substantially less than we paid for the anonymous Brennan Johnson.

Put in that context, I would have held Guehi to his contract, foregoing the £20m, and not signed Johnson.

Agree re Johnson. We all knew once Sarr was back from AFCON Johnson was either not going to play or he was going to play out of position. This makes no sense when the club have forked out £35m for him.

 

[ASCPFC]

Agree re Johnson. We all knew once Sarr was back from AFCON Johnson was either not going to play or he was going to play out of position. This makes no sense when the club have forked out £35m for him.

It's going to depend who goes in the summer and whether Johnson will put in the effort to take Sarr's place. The other issue is also having Pino but I think he's starting to get used to the left side now. It's also going to depend on the manager.
Plus, we will need more than one decent player for every position. We've been caught out so many times by having inadequate back up and a fair amount of injuries.
My concern is that we should offer Sarr a big wage and a decent contract. Kamada frees a lot of wages for us and we need to keep Sarr. Our biggest goal threat. We courted him for longer than he's even been here yet. Let's get married now.

 

[Runningman]

There are two strands to the Guehi transfer thread.

The first was Parish's decision to let him join Liverpool late on the last day of the summer transfer window. No replacement had been lined up unless you accept that a Brighton reserve centre back that subsequently failed to secure a place in a poor West Ham defence was a viable solution.

The second was also a question of timing. Glasner had prepared his team for the Sunderland game to include Guehi. Only after that preparation was complete was he told Guehi wouldn't be available to him as he was signing for City a couple of days later.

I'm not being a Glasner apologist here, and I don't condone his behaviour. But I can understand his frustration. Especially in the first scenario.

I don't know how Guehi would have reacted if he hadn't been allowed to leave in January. But I do think he would still have secured a move to a top club this summer if he had stayed.

So we sold him for £20m. That's less than we paid for the underperforming, injury prone Nketiah. It's substantially less than we paid for the anonymous Brennan Johnson.

Put in that context, I would have held Guehi to his contract, foregoing the £20m, and not signed Johnson.

The same Guehi who played a major role in the early part of our losing streak you mean ?

 

[NEILLO]

The same Guehi who played a major role in the early part of our losing streak you mean ?

So you think the team is stronger now that he’s gone ?

 

[eritheagle]

So you think the team is stronger now that he’s gone ?

I think the team spirit is a bit better now.

 

[Eaglecoops]

You’ve missed my point - maybe that’s down to the way that I expressed it.

I think the team was stronger with Guehi in it. Nothing to do with keeping Glasner happy.

I used Nketiah and Johnson as examples of how much you can spend in the transfer market without getting value for money . I think forgoing the £20m and retaining Guehi would have been better value.

I don’t think many would ever argue against Guehi making us better, however in relation to where we currently are and where we might have been if he stayed for 6 months, I don’t think that is worth £20m. Just a difference of opinion for me and you.

You also have to take into account the destabilising influence of having players and a manager who no longer want to be with us. You can be as professional as you like but ultimately you are either counting the days down or your head has to be turned towards those who are expressing an interest. It’s no good for both those looking to leave and those staying.

The start of our bad run was whilst Guehi was playing and as someone else has pointed out, whilst we may have lost a top player we might have gained a bit of dressing room unity. The same can probably be said of Mateta who has probably had to eat a massive piece of humble pie to even be sharing the same turf as some of the players. I’m not convinced even now that they are liking his return. The on pitch body language hasn’t looked fantastic. Again, just my thoughts based on what I’ve seen.

 

[sprites]

I don’t think many would ever argue against Guehi making us better, however in relation to where we currently are and where we might have been if he stayed for 6 months, I don’t think that is worth £20m. Just a difference of opinion for me and you.

You also have to take into account the destabilising influence of having players and a manager who no longer want to be with us. You can be as professional as you like but ultimately you are either counting the days down or your head has to be turned towards those who are expressing an interest. It’s no good for both those looking to leave and those staying.

The start of our bad run was whilst Guehi was playing and as someone else has pointed out, whilst we may have lost a top player we might have gained a bit of dressing room unity. The same can probably be said of Mateta who has probably had to eat a massive piece of humble pie to even be sharing the same turf as some of the players. I’m not convinced even now that they are liking his return. The on pitch body language hasn’t looked fantastic. Again, just my thoughts based on what I’ve seen.

Mateta should never put on the red and blue again, in my opinion.

 

[NEILLO]

I don’t think many would ever argue against Guehi making us better, however in relation to where we currently are and where we might have been if he stayed for 6 months, I don’t think that is worth £20m. Just a difference of opinion for me and you.

You also have to take into account the destabilising influence of having players and a manager who no longer want to be with us. You can be as professional as you like but ultimately you are either counting the days down or your head has to be turned towards those who are expressing an interest. It’s no good for both those looking to leave and those staying.

The start of our bad run was whilst Guehi was playing and as someone else has pointed out, whilst we may have lost a top player we might have gained a bit of dressing room unity. The same can probably be said of Mateta who has probably had to eat a massive piece of humble pie to even be sharing the same turf as some of the players. I’m not convinced even now that they are liking his return. The on pitch body language hasn’t looked fantastic. Again, just my thoughts based on what I’ve seen.

Guehi was under contract until June.

As far as I'm aware, he didn't agitate for a move at any time. Unlike Mateta. He did make it clear that he wouldn't sign another contract with Palace. So I don't think he was a destabilising influence at any time - unlike his manager.

If Parish was content to risk the potential destabilising influence of a publicly want away Glasner, then I think that reduces the Guehi situation to a purely financial one.

My argument is that Guehi in the team made us stronger, which you seem to acknowledge in your first sentence, so I'm not sure why you have singled him out because he was playing during the bad run we had. Not many players emerged from that run with credit.

We will have to agree to disagree re the £20m. In any walk of life if you want to succeed then you set yourself up to give yourself the best chance. So my view is that retaining Guehi would have given us a better chance of a higher league finish and winning the Conference League. That's not a ' given ' of course, but the higher position could have financially offset some of that £20m.

 

[MrRobbo]

Agree re Johnson. We all knew once Sarr was back from AFCON Johnson was either not going to play or he was going to play out of position. This makes no sense when the club have forked out £35m for him.

The Johnson deal reminds me of comments made around the time of the Nketiah deal, and I cant remember where they came from.

More of a case of an opportunity arose to buy 'pedigree' at a 'reasonable' price, vs not immediately needing that player.

I guess the Henderson signing was simular (but thats worked out very well).


As much as its not really worked out so far, I understand the logic. If we'd had not got Hendo when available, we would have been scrabbling around trying to replace SJ.

 

[taylors lovechild]

Apparently, Brennan's dad was in the away section at Larnaca and told some Palace fans that he was reassured that Glasner was staying when his boy signed, only for Oliver to tell the world he was leaving a week later. If true, this all sounds very odd.