Glasner Out

RubinsCube said:
Financial motivations aside, Thomas Frank was slow to get off the mark when he took over from Dean Smith at Brentford. We all know how it's panned out for him at Spurs.

My research is telling me he got:

- 8 points from his first 12 games at Brentford (in the Championship).
- 18 points from his first 12 games at Spurs.

I'd be nervous getting him in with 12 games left in the season, his early track records, and such little blue sky between us and the bottom three.
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Maybe, but they are all a bit of a risk aren't they? Frank did well on a budget at Brentford, they played decent attacking fast paced football. Hard to judge him with Spurs as they were a s*** show when he joined them. I guess we need to find someone who 'gets' us. Quite who that is is anyone's guess though. It's surely not Glasner anymore.
 
samprior said:
Yep I wouldn't go near Frank. Damaged goods plus he's always made me cringe and don't think I could bare his press conferences.

We need to find a manager who is flexible and looks to find solutions. Like Iraola... But not a chance in hell he'd come to us.
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Iraola was another slow starter at Bournemouth. His first 12 games secured just 9 points, with no win until the 10th game.

If he came here tomorrow and replicated that we would probably be just about ok but we would be sailing close to the trap door.

I'd be very much a fan of getting him in if we could in the summer, but very nervous about doing it between now and the end of the season.
 
elgin eeagle said:
Maybe, but they are all a bit of a risk aren't they? Frank did well on a budget at Brentford, they played decent attacking fast paced football. Hard to judge him with Spurs as they were a s*** show when he joined them. I guess we need to find someone who 'gets' us. Quite who that is is anyone's guess though. It's surely not Glasner anymore.
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We need somebody who wants to be here, who is committed to what is now a relegation fight and who has the respect of the players or at least can motivate them. Glasner isn’t any of those things any more
 
RubinsCube said:
Iraola was another slow starter at Bournemouth. His first 12 games secured just 9 points, with no win until the 10th game.

If he came here tomorrow and replicated that we would probably be just about ok but we would be sailing close to the trap door.

I'd be very much a fan of getting him in if we could in the summer, but very nervous about doing it between now and the end of the season.
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I’d bite your arm off for 9 points right now. If we stay with Glasner and his current form we will get 5 or 6
 
JHB said:
I’d bite your arm off for 9 points right now. If we stay with Glasner and his current form we will get 5 or 6
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Yeah I hear you and I am in two minds.

Wolves next up in the League. New players bedding in. Part of me thinks we'll have to kick on and get a few wins in the next month. But the evidence points to needing a change.
 
elgin eeagle said:
Maybe, but they are all a bit of a risk aren't they? Frank did well on a budget at Brentford, they played decent attacking fast paced football. Hard to judge him with Spurs as they were a s*** show when he joined them. I guess we need to find someone who 'gets' us. Quite who that is is anyone's guess though. It's surely not Glasner anymore.
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I think if we do ditch OG now, or in the next 2-3 weeks, then it needs to be a stop gap fire fighting character like Fat Sam or someone like him. We just do not have time for a coach to come in and prepare the team in possession based patterns or new systems. I do not think that is Thomas Frank.

That changes massively in the summer if OG leaves when his contract expires. TF would have had time toi lick his wounds, and he might well be a good fit for us. Agreed it's a risk either way.
 
RubinsCube said:
Yeah I hear you and I am in two minds.

Wolves next up in the League. New players bedding in. Part of me thinks we'll have to kick on and get a few wins in the next month. But the evidence points to needing a change.
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Wolves is exactly the sort of fixture we’ve struggled with all season. They’ve got better organised defensively, will sit deep and hit us down the flanks on the break. Unless we do something different tactically or change manager I’d back them for a draw at worst against us
 
What seems very apparent to me is the ease with which Burnley got the ball into good attacking positions, let's say the final third of the pitch. Notwithstanding the quality of the 3 centre halfs (I think only Lacroix is up to standard), where are the defensive mids? Completely bypassed, along with the wingbacks. We are outnumbered in the most important area on the pitch every single game, when is someone going to say "it doesn't work like it used to, its had its day"?
I was never a great Roy fan, but I can appreciate what he had to work with and how he got things done. Glasner was fortunate to have the cream of the crop, now they've departed we're seeing his true ability.
There is something of merit in this squad, but it needs a pragmatic and wise head to steer it to where it ought to be.
 
park the bus said:
What seems very apparent to me is the ease with which Burnley got the ball into good attacking positions, let's say the final third of the pitch. Notwithstanding the quality of the 3 centre halfs (I think only Lacroix is up to standard), where are the defensive mids? Completely bypassed, along with the wingbacks. We are outnumbered in the most important area on the pitch every single game, when is someone going to say "it doesn't work like it used to, its had its day"?
I was never a great Roy fan, but I can appreciate what he had to work with and how he got things done. Glasner was fortunate to have the cream of the crop, now they've departed we're seeing his true ability.
There is something of merit in this squad, but it needs a pragmatic and wise head to steer it to where it ought to be.
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It’s so obvious. It really is. Play four at the back and get at least one extra body in midfield. With a striker who can actually head it I really would be tempted to go 4-4-2 playing Pino on the right and Sarr off JSL. Alternatively go 4-3-3 with Hughes and Lerma being defensive and Wharton a bit higher up. Either way recognise teams have worked out the current system
 
park the bus said:
What seems very apparent to me is the ease with which Burnley got the ball into good attacking positions, let's say the final third of the pitch. Notwithstanding the quality of the 3 centre halfs (I think only Lacroix is up to standard), where are the defensive mids? Completely bypassed, along with the wingbacks. We are outnumbered in the most important area on the pitch every single game, when is someone going to say "it doesn't work like it used to, its had its day"?
I was never a great Roy fan, but I can appreciate what he had to work with and how he got things done. Glasner was fortunate to have the cream of the crop, now they've departed we're seeing his true ability.
There is something of merit in this squad, but it needs a pragmatic and wise head to steer it to where it ought to be.
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Sorry to sound like a broken record, but that bypassing of the midfield you're talking about is 100% and soley to do with the fact Will Hughes was sitting on the bench instead of on the field. Wharton and Kamada playing as a two will always get cut through.
 
When he first signed I said that whilst he seems good I just don't trust a three at the back system because the moment you get found it your only option is to dig your heels in and try and play your system even harder.
 
Nicholas91 said:
He doesn’t know what he’s doing, tonight was the ultimate evidence of that.

He only has one way of playing, which made us a surprise package last season, but is no longer working.

Get him out, soon as.
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Every manager has worked us out

Glasner has no alternative pattern like Ange Ball had how did that end well in Europe not so in Prem.
 
We have looked at Dyche in the past and I would consider him again. He has a lot of the gritty quality we need to get the best out of our players

Last night showed what we have missed up front a proper poacher who can get onto long balls but we seem to be struggling without Guehi and Kamada seems to have given up.

I am now of the view we need a change now.
 
Frenchaigle said:
Do we have any targets ? That said they are similar club to us so yes they probably will .
Forest never seem to wait for the morning 😂
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Absolutely zero targets as Parish has committed to seeing Glasner out till the end of his contract. So here we go for another 4 months of this...
 
All I want to see is a manager that actually wants to be here and will be here for awhile. I am so sick of the turn over. The board need to be 100% straight with whoever comes in about the fact we do everything slowly and last minute if at all. Any manager coming in should also look very closely with what has happened here in the time we have been in the premier league. The ones who could make a leap forward walked or will walk very quickly. Roy was amazing for what he did but he was right at the very end of his managing career and was just happy to still be involved at the top level and took what came his way. He probably deserves much more credit that some of us gave him, me included because it must have been so frustrating to deal with.

Right now, I hate to say it but I can see Dyche or his type being the next appointment. It will be a case of a tiny step forward having won some silverware and the board will be happy with maybe pushing to finish 10th/9th for the next few years. No dramas.
 
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