Arsenal vs Crystal Palace match thread

[dreamwaverider]

Not sure why he didn’t start with our best full back (Mitchell) against Martinelli and start Sosa in his normal position. Clyne did ok but he was never going to be a 90 minute option against the league leaders.

Mitchell is one footed. Why he plays on the left.

 

[dreamwaverider]

I heard somewhere last night that Richards will be back in early January. I dont know what he did or how he got injured, but there was loads of blood. He is a really big player for Palace.

 

[Eaglecoops]

Mitchell is one footed. Why he plays on the left.

He runs on both, is quick and can tackle which automatically makes him miles better than Canvot who looked like an artic when turning.

I hope Canvot grows into a decent centre back because he definitely is not a full back and should not have been played there.

 

[PatrickA]

After a period of being able to go toe to toe with any team in the country, we have, through a set of circumstances of our own making, devolved back to Royball, that is, defending and hoping for a lucky break. The wheels are falling off the cart, and despite the heroic effort yesterday it is quite apparent how lacking this configuration is. The manager has one way of setting up and without his key lynchpins he appears at a loss of how to alter the gameplan. Up front he continues to deploy a player who is likely carrying an injury (looking at how laboured his movement is) and is totally ineffective. Ally that with the totally useless Nketiah an it's clear we have a big problem up front. Midfield often outnumbered owing to the 2 man system, illustrated as Arsenal swept forward time and time again.
The system doesn't work anymore. The catalyst? European competition, too much too soon.
Change required.

Your argument has some validity, but I can't see the system being changed.
The whole squad is drilled in the formation from pre season through training to the games themselves.
When I observe the games from a high vantage point it's evident how the patterns of play develop and shift with each player knowing exactly where they should be.

Glasner would argue that the system has inherent flexibility, that we can have 5 strung across midfield or up top depending uoon the positions of the number 10s and the wing backs.
Where this falls down is where the playing personnel to operate the system are unavailable (e g Sarr, Munoz,Kamada.).
Clyne , Devenny, Nketiah and Canvot are being thrust into roles for which they are ill suited.
More controversially I would have to say the jury is also out on Pino in this regard too.

 

[Willo]

He runs on both, is quick and can tackle which automatically makes him miles better than Canvot who looked like an artic when turning.

I hope Canvot grows into a decent centre back because he definitely is not a full back and should not have been played there.

Someone commented that he has seen milk turn quicker which is a tad harsh on a promising young defender.
He was 'Hung out to dry' last night, played out of position against a quality team.

 

[park the bus]

Your argument has some validity, but I can't see the system being changed.
The whole squad is drilled in the formation from pre season through training to the games themselves.
When I observe the games from a high vantage point it's evident how the patterns of play develop and shift with each player knowing exactly where they should be.

Glasner would argue that the system has inherent flexibility, that we can have 5 strung across midfield or up top depending uoon the positions of the number 10s and the wing backs.
Where this falls down is where the playing personnel to operate the system are unavailable (e g Sarr, Munoz,Kamada.).
Clyne , Devenny, Nketiah and Canvot are being thrust into roles for which they are ill suited.
More controversially I would have to say the jury is also out on Pino in this regard too.

You more or less echo my argument. The system that brought a brief period of success is now failing due to its very inflexible nature, and that of a manager incapable (thus far) of attempting anything different.
As it stands, with players missing and those you name as replacements, it doesn't work anymore.

 

[Putitout]

With Richards injury Canvot , could be back in the side very soon as part of the back three. Hopefully none the worse for ware as he has shown promise there. As a wing back he was hung out to dry, it wasn’t just any old winger he faced in Martinelli, The surprise was he didn’t seem to have a clue how to be a full back let a lone a wing back, he was never in the right position, and Martinelli had all the space to pick every cross as if it was a training game. That said, why did any one on the staff think he was up to it?

 

[samprior]

After a period of being able to go toe to toe with any team in the country, we have, through a set of circumstances of our own making, devolved back to Royball, that is, defending and hoping for a lucky break. The wheels are falling off the cart, and despite the heroic effort yesterday it is quite apparent how lacking this configuration is. The manager has one way of setting up and without his key lynchpins he appears at a loss of how to alter the gameplan. Up front he continues to deploy a player who is likely carrying an injury (looking at how laboured his movement is) and is totally ineffective. Ally that with the totally useless Nketiah an it's clear we have a big problem up front. Midfield often outnumbered owing to the 2 man system, illustrated as Arsenal swept forward time and time again.
The system doesn't work anymore. The catalyst? European competition, too much too soon.
Change required.

I understand what you're getting at however whatever system you play if you remove 3 key players from it plus your main striker is playing through injury then it's not gonna be pretty.

No need to panic, some decent additions in January and we'll get back to being more exciting and competitive to watch.

Not long ago a quarter final in the cup would have been about the highlight of the season... Now however due to our new found success, exiting the cup doesn't seem too bad as we're still 8th in the league and plenty to play for in two competitions.

COYP

 

[Willo]

I understand what you're getting at however whatever system you play if you remove 3 key players from it plus your main striker is playing through injury then it's not gonna be pretty.

No need to panic, some decent additions in January and we'll get back to being more exciting and competitive to watch.

Not long ago a quarter final in the cup would have been about the highlight of the season... Now however due to our new found success, exiting the cup doesn't seem too bad as we're still 8th in the league and plenty to play for in two competitions.

COYP

Some much welcome positivity, far removed from some of the platitudinous ennui of doom and gloom that I inflict on HOL from time to time.

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

After a period of being able to go toe to toe with any team in the country, we have, through a set of circumstances of our own making, devolved back to Royball, that is, defending and hoping for a lucky break. The wheels are falling off the cart, and despite the heroic effort yesterday it is quite apparent how lacking this configuration is. The manager has one way of setting up and without his key lynchpins he appears at a loss of how to alter the gameplan. Up front he continues to deploy a player who is likely carrying an injury (looking at how laboured his movement is) and is totally ineffective. Ally that with the totally useless Nketiah an it's clear we have a big problem up front. Midfield often outnumbered owing to the 2 man system, illustrated as Arsenal swept forward time and time again.
The system doesn't work anymore. The catalyst? European competition, too much too soon.
Change required.

A little unfair.

We are missing 3 key players who are the foundation of our playing style.
Obviously, we need another forward, creative midfielder and wing back to strengthen our flimsy squad. The window is coming up, so there is hope for reinforcements. When Munoz and Sarr return, along with some potential new signings, we will be a much bigger threat.

Given that Arsenal are one of the best teams in Europe, and we are depleted, I thought we did very well. On another night, we would be in the semi final, although in some ways I'm glad we aren't given the opposition we would face and the extra games involved.

 

[Elphers40]

The fact that we’re all so disappointed to go out of the league cup at the quarterfinal stage, against a team who’s bench cost more than our entire squad (and stadium), shows just how far we’ve come as a club.

Despite our obviously thin squad and tired legs - We gave them a real game in the second half and I think it’s unrealistic to expect anything more than that.

I honestly think if we had added the 4 quality additions Ollie was after in the summer we’d have won last night. We are a really good side and I think IF we can get those new signings through the door in January - we can have another really great season.

COYP

 

[Willo]

A little unfair.

We are missing 3 key players who are the foundation of our playing style.
Obviously, we need another forward, creative midfielder and wing back to strengthen our flimsy squad. The window is coming up, so there is hope for reinforcements. When Munoz and Sarr return, along with some potential new signings, we will be a much bigger threat.

Given that Arsenal are one of the best teams in Europe, and we are depleted, I thought we did very well. On another night, we would be in the semi final, although in some ways I'm glad we aren't given the opposition we would face and the extra games involved.

I appeciate that I was 'Spitting Feathers' last night but this was raw emotion after we were eliminated from the cup. I am invariably in a hissy fit when a result goes against us and my dear wife often bears the brunt of my high-decibel angst.
In retrospect I accept that with a depleted squad we performed creditably in the second half and our progress to the semi-final was prevented only by an OG and a missed penalty in the shoot-out. To hold Arsenal to 1-1 in normal time was no mean feat and an admirable response after the Leeds debacle.
Hypertension subsided !

 

[Hrolf The Ganger]

I appeciate that I was 'Spitting Feathers' last night but this was raw emotion after we were eliminated from the cup. I am invariably in a hissy fit when a result goes against us and my dear wife often bears the brunt of my high-decibel angst.
In retrospect I accept that with a depleted squad we performed creditably in the second half and our progress to the semi-final was prevented only by an OG and a missed penalty in the shoot-out. To hold Arsenal to 1-1 in normal time was no mean feat and an admirable response after the Leeds debacle.
Hypertension subsided !

My stomach acid was a bit overactive at the end, but it was fun while it lasted.

 

[Palacesince64]

I agree 100%. If we get £15m I’d take it and look to bring in someone else.

There is a striker in there somewhere (he can on occasion finish), but he can’t hold the ball up, he has no electric pace like Sarr, he is weak in the challenge and is always half a second too slow on the press. He quite simply does not suit our style of play.

Pretty much sums him up. If I was trying to say something positive his finishing is better than Mateta’s but playing someone as a 10 who is invariably late on the press is pointless. He either has to replace Mateta so he can have a break and recover from his knee problem or we sell him. Palace can’t afford a £30 million player on the bench.

 

[Willo]

My stomach acid was a bit overactive at the end, but it was fun while it lasted.

If you have had a 'Gastric Band' implanted this could be the reason.

 

[silvertop]

I am ambivalent about going out given the stretch on our resources. And I am not overjoyed by Richards' injury but....

Others have commented on the inequality of arms and the fact the team sitting clear top of the EPL and ECL have now narrowly scraped wins against us on 2 occasions at home.

I have also seen the bile aimed at Canvot that is spectacularly unfair. A teenager out of position. His time will come but we visibly improved with Clyne on.

Nketiah on the other hand... I forgot he was there. Devenny markedly improved our performance.

However, the point I was labouring toward is that, by contrast, arsenal put 3 of the world's best players on as they could not break us down. And it made no difference. Their goal was a fluke and we got one back. We were pretty good in the second half.

 

[Elphers40]

I am ambivalent about going out given the stretch on our resources. And I am not overjoyed by Richards' injury but....

Others have commented on the inequality of arms and the fact the team sitting clear top of the EPL and ECL have now narrowly scraped wins against us on 2 occasions at home.

I have also seen the bile aimed at Canvot that is spectacularly unfair. A teenager out of position. His time will come but we visibly improved with Clyne on.

Nketiah on the other hand... I forgot he was there. Devenny markedly improved our performance.

However, the point I was labouring toward is that, by contrast, arsenal put 3 of the world's best players on as they could not break us down. And it made no difference. Their goal was a fluke and we got one back. We were pretty good in the second half.

A welcome voice of reason Silvertop.

 

[Willo]

I am ambivalent about going out given the stretch on our resources. And I am not overjoyed by Richards' injury but....

Others have commented on the inequality of arms and the fact the team sitting clear top of the EPL and ECL have now narrowly scraped wins against us on 2 occasions at home.

I have also seen the bile aimed at Canvot that is spectacularly unfair. A teenager out of position. His time will come but we visibly improved with Clyne on.

Nketiah on the other hand... I forgot he was there. Devenny markedly improved our performance.

However, the point I was labouring toward is that, by contrast, arsenal put 3 of the world's best players on as they could not break us down. And it made no difference. Their goal was a fluke and we got one back. We were pretty good in the second half.

I for one have not directed any bile at Canvot.
He is a vastly inexperienced teenager,only 18 games in 'Ligue 1' before he joined us, and was played out of position at right wing-back away from home against a quality team.

 

[Painter]

The back up for Munoz is Cardines. Unfortunately he too is injured currently so OG had to try some other options - the first of which didn’t come off so he went for the 4th option, Clyne which worked reasonably well even against the best team in Europe.

I thought Kporha was the RWB back up, but again he is injured with a bad green.

 

[Glazier#1]

He runs on both, is quick and can tackle which automatically makes him miles better than Canvot who looked like an artic when turning.

I hope Canvot grows into a decent centre back because he definitely is not a full back and should not have been played there.

Canvot is very left-footed and RW back is just not his position, as many have pointed out.

I would see him being developed in March Guehi's role on the left of the back three. That would put him on the same side as Tyrick and he would then benefit from Tyrick's tutelage and be a deal more comfortable than he was last night when Martinelli had him on toast.

We should remember that he's played so few professional games and is just 19.
In time I see him developing into a very talented central defender.