Train attack

Badger11 said:
It must be a nightmare being trapped in a confined space with madmen.

I just hope the victims can recover from this.
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I don't live in the UK and haven't been on a train for years. Aren't there emergency stop options and doors to escape from anymore?
 
pssguy said:
I don't live in the UK and haven't been on a train for years. Aren't there emergency stop options and doors to escape from anymore?
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I believe standard practice is that when the alarm system is activated on trains/tubes, they then enter the first station and stop there. Makes sense. You need to be able to get emergency services to a location and stopping in the middle of nowhere makes little sense.
 
Matov said:
I believe standard practice is that when the alarm system is activated on trains/tubes, they then enter the first station and stop there. Makes sense. You need to be able to get emergency services to a location and stopping in the middle of nowhere makes little sense.
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thanks for info. There is some logic. particularly for tubes, and I suppose it stops mischief makers, but if I was in that situation, I would like to get away ASAP
 
palace_in_frogland said:
Did they strike terror into the passengers? Were the passengers terrified?

Of course they were, so how the flick was it not a terrorist incident?
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Terrorism is generally defined as the use or threat of violence against civilians to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals. This often includes acts that endanger lives, cause serious damage to property, or disrupt public safety to intimidate the public or influence government actions. Definitions vary, but core elements involve: acts of violence, intimidation, and a motive to advance a cause, such as a political, religious, or ideological one. Not much of a difference but for example plain old theft doesn't quite make the list.
 
The suspects are British born of Caribbean descent, and that highlights the catastrophic nature of successive governments' immigration policy.

People born here are still radicalised and still capable of extreme violence.

It strengthens the argument for mass deportations, including British born generations. Not something I would have previously supported.

I'm no longer interested in arguments about what the law currently allows. We need radical changes to our laws and policy to counter what has become an epidemic. The perception now is that normal British life is no longer safe for anyone. This is totally unacceptable.

We must have new leadership.
 
Spindle said:
Sorry for jumping to conclusions but I posted about this attack last night on the immigration thread.

Media very reluctant to say it was a black man dressed in black. More details are being covered up as we speak
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BBC headline is 2 UK Nationals. Lower down they describe one as black and the other of Caribbean descent.
 
ASCPFC said:
www.bbc.com

Nothing to suggest train stabbing attack is terror-related, police say - latest

Two people remain in a life-threatening condition and two men have been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.
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Two black UK citizens. Read down.
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Interesting that the authorities deem it necessary to differentiate between the two black fellas and their status. The mug shots might be interesting too. As others have suggested if we get innocent choir boy pics of 20 years ago then we know that today they’ll be crazed looking individuals.
 
beak said:
Terrorism is generally defined as the use or threat of violence against civilians to achieve political, religious, or ideological goals. This often includes acts that endanger lives, cause serious damage to property, or disrupt public safety to intimidate the public or influence government actions. Definitions vary, but core elements involve: acts of violence, intimidation, and a motive to advance a cause, such as a political, religious, or ideological one. Not much of a difference but for example plain old theft doesn't quite make the list.
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Depends. Lets envisage a scenario - A revenue protection team. Approach two men on the train. They refuse to produce tickets. Before lashing out with knives that they make a concious decision to travel with on their persons. Other people get involved and it spirals out of control. The issue here is primarily the sense of 'entitlement' that many people seem to have now towards their ability to travel without paying for a ticket. Even the recent crackdown on London Transport has caused the Left to proclaim them as a racist because of the overwhelmingly disproportionate amount of non-whites being arrested.

A case in point... Man jailed for strangling railway worker after ticket dispute

Now is this 'terrorism' in the sense of the political, religious or ideological? Potentially not. But it still seems to be a pervading cultural belief, undermining of the wider notion of civic expectations. You get on a train. You buy a ticket. That is how this works.

Of course, this might not have been the motive behind this but it's still a scenario in which I feel the distinction between what are the classic definitions of terrorism and how our society is evolving are starting to narrow.

Attempting to stab somebody who is just asking to see proof you have a ticket to travel strikes me as a form of 'terrorism'. And the sooner we recognise it as such, the sooner we can perhaps save civil society. Because as I see it, it is now crumbling.
 
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